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contrarianna
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posted 18 August 2007 09:31 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John Pilger in the Guardian provides a corrective to the anti-Chavez propaganda that is everywhere.

"....More than 25,000 communal councils have been set up in parallel to the old, corrupt local bureaucracies. Many are spectacles of raw grassroots democracy. Spokespeople are elected, yet all decisions, ideas and spending have to be approved by a community assembly. In towns long controlled by oligarchs and their servile media, this explosion of popular power has begun to change lives in the way Beatrice described.

It is this new confidence of Venezuela’s “invisible people” that has so inflamed those who live in suburbs called country club. Behind their walls and dogs, they remind me of white South Africans. Venezuela’s wild west media is mostly theirs; 80% of broadcasting and almost all the 118 newspaper companies are privately owned. Until recently one television shock jock liked to call Chávez, who is mixed race, a “monkey”. Front pages depict the president as Hitler, or as Stalin (the connection being that both like babies). Among broadcasters crying censorship loudest are those bankrolled by the National Endowment for Democracy, the CIA in spirit if not name. “We had a deadly weapon, the media,” said an admiral who was one of the coup plotters in 2002. The TV station, RCTV, never prosecuted for its part in the attempt to overthrow the elected government, lost only its terrestrial licence and is still broadcasting on satellite and cable.

Yet, as in Nicaragua, the “treatment” of RCTV is a cause celebre for those in Britain and the US affronted by the sheer audacity and popularity of Chávez, whom they smear as “power crazed” and a “tyrant”. That he is the authentic product of a popular awakening is suppressed. Even the description of him as a “radical socialist”, usually in the pejorative, wilfully ignores the fact that he is a nationalist and social democrat, a label many in Britain’s Labour party were once proud to wear...."
The old Iran-Contra death squad gang is desperate to discredit Chavez


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Fidel
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posted 18 August 2007 09:35 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank goodness for independent news journies like Pilger. He's still got it.
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posted 18 August 2007 12:43 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, good article. I do wonder about the reports lately about how he's greatly centralized power in the country (popular support or no, that makes me a bit uneasy) but it may all be part of the smear job.

And anyway, he's still the enemy of the world's enemy, which is good enough for me.


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ceti
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posted 22 August 2007 04:01 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
War On Democracy, his latest doc and first to be released in cinemas just aired on ITV. Hopefully, it will come here soon.
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posted 23 August 2007 10:02 AM      Profile for fellowtraveller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What makes me most uneasy about Chavez is his constant promotion of a personality cult.
We've seen how that goes far too many times in far too many places.

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quelar
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posted 23 August 2007 10:12 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When he starts building statues of himself, or refering to himself in the third person, sure we'll be concerned, but go look at the facts, he's not popular because he's self promoting, he's popular because the people like what he's doing.
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posted 23 August 2007 11:08 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fellowtraveller:
What makes me most uneasy about Chavez is his constant promotion of a personality cult.
We've seen how that goes far too many times in far too many places.

Wearing military uniforms and preaching to his neighbours. Anytime he wants he gets free TV and radio coverage to spew his propaganda.

Wait sorry that's Bush. Tell me what if not a personality cult is a Presidential election in the Excited States. The problem is that in the US the personalities are Bush and Gore. Hard to start a cult around them even with the biggest propaganda machine on the globe. Plus to get a really top notch personality cult going it helps to do something for the citizens not just the corporate lobbyists who paid for your campaign.

What were the people thinking electing someone who is not backed by the US? Don't they know what happened in Iran, Guatemala, Nicaraqua, Chile, Palestine etc etc. What don't the electors get about the fact that the only democracy allowed is one that supports American hegemony.


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posted 23 August 2007 11:13 AM      Profile for Slider        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by quelar:
go look at the facts, he's not popular because he's self promoting, he's popular because the people like what he's doing.


Understand what you're saying, but doing the popular things and doing the right things are not always the same things. How many tax cuts in Canada are "popular", and also "right"? Or for that matter, how many tax increases, while being right, are also popular? See what I mean?


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quelar
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posted 23 August 2007 11:28 AM      Profile for quelar     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure. I never said he was right about everything. I do agree with a lot of his policies and the people of Venezuela seem to agree with me, but all I was getting as was that there isn't a 'cult of personality' there. Or, at least, no more than we have here with the Harpies.
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posted 24 August 2007 09:54 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's easy to be popular when you have massive oil revenues flowing in and all you have to do is throw money around (ask Ralph Klein). I wonder how popular he would be if the world price of oil collpased?
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posted 24 August 2007 10:06 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yea. And he probably has stinky farts as well.
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posted 24 August 2007 10:39 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
It's easy to be popular when you have massive oil revenues flowing in and all you have to do is throw money around

Worked for Sadam.


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Brendan Stone
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posted 24 August 2007 10:48 AM      Profile for Brendan Stone   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A number of countries and provinces have large oil revenues. But not all of them distribute them to the population and provide opportunities and subsidization to the poorest elements of society while building regional, anti-NAFTA-style trade agreements. I think it really exhibits a certain contempt for Venezuelans to say that Chavez is only popular because he has oil, or throwing money around in a 'bread and circuses' arrangement. Ordinary people can tell when their voices are being heard in government. The "Fifth Republic" movement in Venezuela has a different kind of popularity than the extremely-repressive pro-U.S. governments in oil-rich countries like Saudi Arabia.

[ 24 August 2007: Message edited by: Brendan Stone ]


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Stockholm
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posted 24 August 2007 10:53 AM      Profile for Stockholm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm glad he is trying to distribute oil wealth equitably. But I'm also saying that without all that oil wealth his popularity would probably vanish because he wouldn't have the money to do anything progressive.
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posted 24 August 2007 11:05 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, how would he ever have gotten elected if it weren't for all that oil money ... that went to oligarchy.
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fellowtraveller
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posted 24 August 2007 12:00 PM      Profile for fellowtraveller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, no need to be concerned about this: Chávez Calls for Broad Changes to Venezuelan Constitution
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Ken Burch
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posted 24 August 2007 12:03 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
I'm glad he is trying to distribute oil wealth equitably. But I'm also saying that without all that oil wealth his popularity would probably vanish because he wouldn't have the money to do anything progressive.

So what?

Are you saying that Chavez' popularity doesn't count since he leads a country with a lot of natural resources? Does a left government always have to have degree of difficulty points to overcome?

Anyway, the last Venezuelan leader that fit your model of a properly market-obedient timid right-wing social democrat, Carlos Andres Perez, ended up slaughtering thousands of trade unionists for daring to protest against his surrender to the IMF's demands for austerity. I'm pretty sure Venezuela had just as much oil when Perez was in power, so what was his excues?


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posted 24 August 2007 02:06 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by fellowtraveller:
Yeah, no need to be concerned about this: Chávez Calls for Broad Changes to Venezuelan Constitution

quote:
Chávez also proposed ending the autonomy of Venezuela's central bank, which would give him access to billions of dollars from the bank's reserves; creating new types of property that would be managed by cooperatives; and creating "a popular militia" that would form part of the military.
Imagine having the central bamk under the control of the central government. Earth shattering. Be very afraid though that if he does create a new type of cooperatve property and a militia.

He sounds like he is a socialist be very very afraid. Imagine if the US populace begins to like his oil discounts and starts to read how the common people of Venezula are getting cooperative land. Duh, my stupid the corporate media in the states would never fully report on those types of things except to label them as very very very dangerous. You would need a free and independent media for that kind of reporting.


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posted 05 October 2007 01:49 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ceti:
War On Democracy, his latest doc and first to be released in cinemas just aired on ITV. Hopefully, it will come here soon.

The 93-minute doc is now available free online.

It's a must-see for all socialists.

Watch the 2-minute trailer.

Read Pilger's description of the genesis of his movie.

Read an interview with Pilger about his movie.


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posted 05 October 2007 04:08 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chile is a democracy "in theory." That's some economic miracle. Duane Clarridge is as much a moron today as when the death squads overran Nicaragua. There are stupid bastards and then there are really stupid bastards, but that guy takes the cake. A real piece of work.
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posted 05 October 2007 08:12 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Pilger documentary gives far too much time to Duane Clarridge to spew his vomit. But, other than that glaring problem, the film is excellent.
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posted 05 October 2007 08:24 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
It's easy to be popular when you have massive oil revenues flowing in and all you have to do is throw money around (ask Ralph Klein). I wonder how popular he would be if the world price of oil collpased?

Chavez was re-elected with well over 50% of the popular vote. Klein, OTOH, was re-elected by less than half of Albertans who turned out to vote, and voter turnout last go-around was less than half. Different situations.


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posted 05 October 2007 08:27 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like my reply better. It treats the remarks of Stockholm with the seriousness that they deserve.
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posted 05 October 2007 08:41 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, how many Albertans would actually fill the streets in protest if workers and homeless Albertans were to kidnap Klein and maybe even Stelmach and stage a coup? Based on average voter turnouts in Wild Rose County and results of the last election, about 27 percent of Alberta's eligible voters at most. Alberta is another bad example for phony majority dictatorship in Canada.

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posted 08 October 2007 05:57 PM      Profile for jimmyjoe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Amerikan government despises any government that tries to make conditions more equitable for its citizens, at the expense of profits, or control of resources by U.S. corporations. Surprised Chavez is still alive, although a few radicals in the U.S. where calling for him to be snuffed. It is also a sad commentary on some people's thought processes, where it is okay to manipulate and control, or invade when the skin colour is darker.
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posted 26 October 2007 07:06 AM      Profile for marckb   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I guess I would feel more comfortable with Chavez's motives if, instead of cutting media licences for his enemies, he simply ensured that the opposing views had equal airtime. In a country as wealthy as Venezuela, surely the solution could easily have been more voices, rather than less.
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posted 26 October 2007 07:21 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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marckb: I guess I would feel more comfortable with Chavez's motives if, instead of cutting media licences for his enemies, he simply ensured that the opposing views had equal airtime. In a country as wealthy as Venezuela, surely the solution could easily have been more voices, rather than less.

Opposing views have more than equal airtime. The anti-government propaganda spewed by RCTV will simply be available on cable. It's not much of a change. However, what is important and worth mentioning is that if media in this country, much less the U.S. which is blatantly interfering in Venezuelan political and social life, was involved in supporting a coup d'etat, there would be a lot more done than simply refusing to renew a license. People would have been arrested and probably executed if such activities, sponsored by the U.S., took place in the U.S.A. Media in Venezuela is awash with a striking amount of venom directed towards the government that would surprise outsiders.

Your remarks betray a remarkable ignorance about the reality of life in Venezuela. Do some reading outside of USA Today, Time Magazine and the pronouncements of the State Department. It may involve some effort but it will be worth it.


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The Peacemaker by Eva Golinger
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Perhaps the most misrepresented and demonized figure in the media today, President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, recently became a symbol of peace and diplomacy at the Rio Group Summit in Santo Domingo this past March 7. Chávez’s diplomatic, affectionate tone and his call to peace between sister nations calmed tensions between Colombia, Ecuador, Nicaragua and Venezuela, which just hours before had been on the brink of war after Colombia unilaterally violated Ecuador’s territory without permission or notification in order to bomb and assassinate a leader of the Fuerzas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) who was camped with a group of visiting Mexicans on the Ecuatorian side of the border....

Debunking the Chávez myth is not as easy as it should be. Coverage of President Chávez and Venezuela is negative and distorted in 90% of major media outlets in Europe, Latin America and the United States. An analysis of the Washington Post editorial page during the past year shows that of the twenty-three editorials or OpEds specifically written about Venezuela, only one – written by Venezuela’s Ambassador to the US – presented a balanced vision of the South American nation’s political and economic situation. President Chávez was labeled as a “dictator”, “autocrat”, “strongman” or “despot” on ten occasions and references to his government as “dictatorial”, “authoritarian” or “repressive” were made in almost every article. Even worse, the Washington Post perpetuated the falsehood of Venezuela’s relationship with terrorism in almost a dozen editorials during the last year.

None of these claims about Venezuela and President Chávez’s slippery slope towards a terrorist dictatorship have ever been seriously substantiated with real evidence. In fact, a frightening parallel can be drawn between the Bush-Cheney lies about weapons of mass destruction in Sadaam Hussein’s Iraq and the false allegations about Chávez’s Venezuela funding and arming Colombian terrorists and facilitating drug trafficking and money laundering.



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