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MyName
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posted 24 July 2004 11:22 AM      Profile for MyName        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040723/WORLD23E//?query=sudan

United Nations -- Washington threatened sanctions against Sudan if it doesn't make significant progress in arresting marauding Arab militias within 30 days, in a revised UN resolution circulated yesterday.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell met UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan for the second time in three weeks to step up pressure on Khartoum to end the 15-month conflict and escalating humanitarian crisis in the region of Darfur.


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N.Beltov
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posted 24 July 2004 12:10 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yea...maybe the Yankees can bomb another Sudanese pharmaceutical plant and say, "Sorry! We thought you were making chemical weapons. Or something."

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A year after the attack "without the lifesaving medicine [the destroyed facilities] produced, Sudan's death toll from the bombing has continued, quietly, to rise... Thus, tens of thousands of people -- many of them children -- have suffered and died from malaria, tuberculosis, and other treatable diseases... [The factory] provided affordable medicine for humans and all the locally available veterinary medicine in Sudan. It produced 90 percent of Sudan's major pharmaceutical products... Sanctions against Sudan make it impossible to import adequate amounts of medicines required to cover the serious gap left by the plant's destruction.... [T]he action taken by Washington on Aug. 20, 1998, continues to deprive the people of Sudan of needed medicine.

Jonathan Belke, Boston Globe, Aug. 22, 1999.

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This only scratches the surface. The U.S. bombing "appears to have shattered the slowly evolving move towards compromise between Sudan's warring sides" and terminated promising steps towards a peace agreement to end the civil war that had left 1.5 million dead since 1981, which might have also led to "peace in Uganda and the entire Nile Basin." The attack apparently "shattered...the expected benefits of a political shift at the heart of Sudan's Islamist government" towards a "pragmatic engagement with the outside world," along with efforts to address Sudan's domestic crises," to end support for terrorism, and to reduce the influence of radical Islamists. [Mark Huband, Financial Times, Sept. 8, 1998]

In this respect, we may compare the crime in the Sudan to the assassination of Lumumba, which helped plunge the Congo into decades of slaughter, still continuing; or the overthrow of the democratic government of Guatemala in 1954, which led to 40 years of hideous atrocities; and all too many others like it.


from Noam Chomsky. Here's a link: Infinite JustUS


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Rand McNally
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posted 24 July 2004 12:28 PM      Profile for Rand McNally     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is more happening/going to happen in the Sudan than is being made public. Wait for it.
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Jingles
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posted 24 July 2004 12:51 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't keep us in suspense, Rand. You can tell me. I used to have Top Secret security clearance. I promise not to tell.
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skdadl
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posted 24 July 2004 12:53 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Me too!

Och, Rand (still love that atlas), what else do we ever do? Can we ever do?


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lagatta
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posted 24 July 2004 12:54 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is a BBC report from the main refugee camp in Sudan. It is very upsetting. Born only to die.

Alas the comparison with the Congo(es) and Guatemala may be apt. Decades of horror.


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josh
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posted 24 July 2004 12:55 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't know No Name was Kate Smith.
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skdadl
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posted 24 July 2004 12:58 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, I miss the Ed Sullivan show. You too, eh, josh?

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...
There was law in the land
Order in the home
Swimmin' in the river back then
...

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Rand McNally
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posted 24 July 2004 01:03 PM      Profile for Rand McNally     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jingles, it is not quite like that. I have not been seeing classified docs with Invasion Sudan on them. I come into contact with American officers on a regular basis. Lately more of them have been talking about, thinking about, and hinting about Sudan. It is on there radar. After 9/11 it was reported in the media that the Spec Ops community was involved in Sudan; and they have using UAV's in country since then. They are still there.
Sudan, has been a stronghold for Al Qaeda for awhile; remember the Cole. I think the US may push for a UN force in the Sudan, with the goal being rooting out Al Qadea under the cover of stopping the genocide.

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josh
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posted 24 July 2004 01:04 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Kate was on there? I must have missed it. Then again, he had everyone on there for 25 years. Don't miss the juggling act, but do miss The Beatles.
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skdadl
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posted 24 July 2004 01:08 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
'sawright? 'sawright!

Lambchop? The Supremes? Elvis? Jim Morrison? Robert Merrill?

Wayne and Shuster?

They were the world. At the time. A rilly big shoe.

And yes, Kate was there, in those enormous dresses of hers. Once a month, I should have thought.


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Hinterland
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posted 24 July 2004 02:33 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I'm too young to remember Ed Sullivan except for the times when Topogigio was on (..and then, only vaguely...but that sure was a trippy little puppet). Therefore, I'm still younger than some people *cackle cackle*.
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Merowe
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posted 24 July 2004 08:08 PM      Profile for Merowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ya know, I'm down with some sort of international involvement in Sudan; since long before Talisman the place has been badly fucked up, structural/racial issues arising from the colonial boundaries, etc.

And yes, klar, a vicious and racist (or just, ahem, old fashioned) unrepresentative central government. I would like to see their ass kicked. (But really, what would that solve? If it doesn't address the deeper issues?)

And, yes, I'm highly suspicious of the current interest in it as an issue from the likes of Blair and Powell. Why didn't they speak up long, long ago? While Darfur is a new boil, the disease and it's symptoms have been around for decades, with massive population displacements, hardships, brutality, etc.

Are they looking around for some convenient distraction from Iraq? Are they looking for somewhere to carry on some sort of Muslim-baiting/fight against terrorism?

It's a good target - no military threat to speak of, and another one of these splendid, incredibly rich ancient cultures that haven't been trashed by the west yet, why not? Not since Gordon in Khartoum, and he got his arse kicked.

And they have oil! Poifect!

As for an Al Queda presence? The place is unimaginably poor, beyond the imagination of most people I expect...to make hay out of that possibility would be like getting upset about bad hair on someone with terminal cancer; Al Queda would be merely an opportunistic infection.

I watch developments on this one with interest.


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