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ohara
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posted 19 May 2008 07:52 AM

I am absolutely speechless.

The Guardian

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unionist
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posted 19 May 2008 08:19 AM

Truly horrifying.

Here is another excellent article by the same journalist (Chris McGreal) with the following intro:

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The roots of war in eastern Congo
The Guardian's award winning Africa correspondent, Chris McGreal, explains why Congo's borderlands with Rwanda have become one of the continent's deadliest conflict zones

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ohara
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posted 19 May 2008 08:42 AM

Unionist stop being such a putz. I want this thread to be about Rwanda and the article I referenced. Your bait is too typical and hopefully your crass attempt at derailing a thread about this terrible tragedy of Rwanda will be soundly rejected by other babblers.

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unionist
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posted 19 May 2008 08:52 AM

Your article is about Congo, actually, not just Rwanda. My article is about southern Africa. The world is interconnected. I happen to think the origin of the problems in all these countries is colonialism, including the new varieties, which stoke up ancient hatreds and use them for their own purposes. You can focus on your angle if you want.

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lagatta
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posted 19 May 2008 08:57 AM

I actually agree with ohara. Unionist, your story about South Africa and Palestine is important, but it should be posted in another thread. We get very little coverage and less understanding about the genocides and protracted civil wars in Sub-saharan African countries, not only in Rwanda and neighbouring Burundi, but also in both Congos. Millions of people have been slaughtered there, and the violence continues.

You can find quite a lot more - including about important peacebuilding initiatives, in particular by women survivors, at Alternatives

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unionist
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posted 19 May 2008 09:05 AM

There. Happy?

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ohara
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posted 19 May 2008 10:31 AM

Its not a matter of being "happy"...Im hoping that it will also help YOU and others understand that"all Israqel/Palestine" all the time should not be your mantra (or mine for tthat matter).

The fact that these atrocities (and yes training children to commit genocide in the future) is an atrocity, points out our continued international Institutional failures (like UN) to cope with all this.

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M. Spector
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posted 19 May 2008 11:06 AM

Chris McGreal is an exponent of what Robin Philpot calls the “right and proper tale” about Rwanda - that is, the narrative about the bad, extremist Hutus and the good Tutsis, with no recognition of the historical role played by imperialism in creating and profiting from the conflict.

Rwandan Hutu children live in the eastern Congo in constant fear and danger of being killed in cross-border incursions by the US-backed Rwandan government forces. It is not surprising that these severely taumatized children express a wish to kill those they perceive as their enemies.

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John K
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posted 19 May 2008 11:54 AM

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Posted by M. Spector: Chris McGreal is an exponent of what Robin Philpot calls the “right and proper tale” about Rwanda - that is, the narrative about the bad, extremist Hutus and the good Tutsis, with no recognition of the historical role played by imperialism in creating and profiting from the conflict.

Except that McGreal does no such thing. Among other things, McGreal acknowledges that one of the roots of the conflict is colonialism, i.e. the decision of the European colonizers to favour the minority Tutsis over the majority Hutus.

If anyone is guilty of a simplistic "good Hutus versus bad Tutsis" narrative (as evidenced by his book on the Rwandan genocide), it is Philpot. By contrast, McGreal does a credible job of weaving together the complex internal and external factors underlying this tragic conflict.

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