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Hephaestion
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posted 26 November 2005 07:24 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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(The Hague) The Dutch Supreme Court ordered Internet company Lycos to reveal the identity of a client in a benchmark decision on privacy that copyright groups said would facilitate prosecution of illegal swapping of music and movies online.

The country's highest court ruled Friday that Lycos wrongly protected the identity of a user who anonymously posted slanderous allegations against an Internet postage stamp dealer on a member site.

[...]

Supreme Court spokesman Steven Bakker said the court found Pessers' claim of having suffered damages sufficient to order Lycos to release the client's name and address, even though no criminal offence had been committed.

It issued a sweeping rejection of Lycos' argument that personal client details should only be released if they are suspected of a crime and the information is wanted by the police.

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Clog-boy
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posted 26 November 2005 01:12 PM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just leave it up to us Dutch to corrupt constitutional rights....
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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 26 November 2005 09:18 PM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why have the Dutch become as pathetic as the Americans?

First I hear that they're taking a harder line against cannabis in reponse to American pressure.

Then I here that there is an assault against our immutable cyber-liberties in the Netherlands.

Sickening...


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Clog-boy
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posted 26 November 2005 10:03 PM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe it's because the reigning Dutch government's got their head up the ass of the U.S. government..?
Our current PM, Jan Peter Balkenende (you know, the Harry Potter lookalike), has been accused on multiple occasions of being G.W.'s lap dog.
Latest example of "Americanism" is our new health care system, which will start in 2006. Monthly payment is almost going to double, while the offered heatlth care gets cut down to just basic..! If you want additional health care coverage, guess what, cough up some more dough...
If I'm not mistaken, insurers will be involved in the choice of treatment or even medication...
And guess what will be the decisive factor for insrurers in those choices...?

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rasmus
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posted 26 November 2005 10:50 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That sucks for the Netherlands.

To be precise, Jan Peter Balkenende has his head so far up the ass of George Bush, he can see the feet of Tony Blair. (This old classic was actually told about two Canadian figures who would mean nothing to you.)

Don't worry, we still love you.


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Clog-boy
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posted 29 November 2005 08:53 PM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by Navigator:
First I hear that they're taking a harder line against cannabis in reponse to American pressure.

Dude, you couldn't have been more right...
Today, a proposition has been sent to the Chamber by the VVD and the ChristenUnie to outlaw smoking weed and hash in public.
When this propostion is accepted, smoking pot in the streets will not be tolerated anymore. You can only smoke it in coffeeshops and in a private residence...


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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 30 November 2005 04:22 PM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Clog-boy:

Dude, you couldn't have been more right...
Today, a proposition has been sent to the Chamber by the VVD and the ChristenUnie to outlaw smoking weed and hash in public.
When this propostion is accepted, smoking pot in the streets will not be tolerated anymore. You can only smoke it in coffeeshops and in a private residence...


Unless there's more to the bill than you have state, why is that so bad? I don't believe that anything should be smoked in too public a location due to the dangers associated with second-hand smoke. While these dangers apply less to cannabis smoke than to cigarette smoke (due to the fact that cannabis smoke, while often having more tar than cigarette smoke, lacks nicotine and the other artifical carcinogenic chemicals contained within cigarettes), they still merit consideration.

Furthermore, cannabis should also be treated as alcohol in some ways in that it can cause anything from mild euphoria to significant intoxication to severe paranoia depending on the individual, the set and setting, the amount consumed, and whether or not the cannabis was consumed in concert with alcohol (which can cause unpleasant trips in some people) or with hard narcotics (the interaction between the psychological effects of cannabis and both the psychological and phyiscal effects of harder drugs can be even more devastating than taking the hard drugs alone).


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Clog-boy
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posted 30 November 2005 09:10 PM      Profile for Clog-boy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not really concerned with this bill, but with what might follow. I'm kinda hoping this is not just the first step of many to follow. Especially, if it were done in repsonse to American pressure.

I agree that cannabis should be treated as alcohol indeed in many ways. I'm well aware that smoking cannabis (even without combining it with alcohol or hard-drugs) can cause certain psychoses in people who are susceptible to them.
But I do feel smoking cannabis is mostly looked down upon, compared to drinking alcohol. Most people frown (even here in the Netherlands) when you say you occasionally smoke some weed. But when you tell your boss you got hammered last night, he laughs it off like it's daily routine.
To be honest, I've heard more negative stories involving alcohol than with cannabis. Once in a while you hear about a D.U.I. hitting someone on a bicycle or on the sidewalk. How often you hear a story like that about a stoner...? Occasionally, you hear about (or are in?) a bar brawl, caused by some drunks behaving badly. I can't recall ever hearing such a thing happen with people who've been smoking pot.
I'd have to say I kinda favour cannabis over alcohol, but they're indeed 2 things you have to watch yourself with. They both can turn on you pretty easily...


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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 01 December 2005 05:47 AM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm the same way: I prefer a cannabis buzz, and my alcohol tolerance isn't all that high for some reason.
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