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Frustrated Mess
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posted 13 August 2008 03:35 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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"The unipolar world refers to a world in which there is one master, one sovereign---- one center of authority, one center of force, one center of decision-making. At the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within.… What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilization.”

“Unilateral and frequently illegitimate actions have not resolved any problems. Moreover, they have caused new human tragedies and created new centers of tension. Judge for yourselves---wars as well as local and regional conflicts have not diminished. More are dying than before. Significantly more, significantly more!

Today we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper-use of force – military force – in international relations, force that is plunging the world into an abyss of permanent conflicts.

We are seeing a greater and greater disdain for the basic principles of international law. And independent legal norms are, as a matter of fact, coming increasingly closer to one state’s legal system. One state and, of course, first and foremost the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way. This is visible in the economic, political, cultural and educational policies it imposes on other nations. Well, who likes this? Who is happy about this?

In international relations we increasingly see the desire to resolve a given question according to so-called issues of political expediency, based on the current political climate. And of course this is extremely dangerous. It results in the fact that no one feels safe. I want to emphasize this – no one feels safe! Because no one can feel that international law is like a stone wall that will protect them. Of course such a policy stimulates an arms race.

I am convinced that we have reached that decisive moment when we must seriously think about the architecture of global security.”

Every word Putin spoke was true which is why it was not reprinted in the western media.



Is Georgia a trap?

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remind
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posted 13 August 2008 03:50 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As much as I enjoyed reading the link FM, do we really need 3 threads on Georgia, could you have not put it in 1 of the other 2?
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Agent 204
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posted 13 August 2008 03:53 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Interesting way of looking at it. It's often been spun as a trap set by Russia for Georgia, but version presented here seems much more plausible, actually.

Scarier yet is this:

quote:
President Bush said Wednesday he is dispatching U.S. military personnel to Georgia in a "vigorous and ongoing" mission to provide humanitarian aid to victims of the fighting between Russian and Georgian troops.

Shortly after Bush spoke, the White House announced that a U.S. Air Force C-17 cargo jet carrying medical supplies arrived in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi.

Another C-17 is to arrive in Tbilisi on Thursday carrying more supplies, including 104,000 doses of antibiotics requested by the Georgian Ministry of Health, a State Department spokesman said. The value of both shipments is $1.28 million, he said.

Bush said more U.S. military aid missions were planned by the Navy and Air Force.

He warned Russia not to interfere with any relief efforts.


From here. This is particularly unsettling, because it could be an attempt to force the Russians to back down or face possible direct conflict with the US, with consequences that are all too predictable.

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George Victor
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posted 13 August 2008 03:55 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post
It's good he said that, FM.

What I don't understand is how the future will unfold with him holding all the energy cards. What do the centres of investment capital in the West do but gnash teeth?

We are about to see endless posturing for the benefit of the great unread, methinks.

And you have just caused one of my favourite songs, as sung by Willie Nelson, to be forever imprinted with a little state in the mountains where Joseph Stalin was born.


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posted 13 August 2008 04:07 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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As much as I enjoyed reading the link FM, do we really need 3 threads on Georgia, could you have not put it in 1 of the other 2?

One is closed and the other is focused on war crimes.

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What I don't understand is how the future will unfold with him holding all the energy cards. What do the centres of investment capital in the West do but gnash teeth?

There's no future in fossil fuels, George. In fact, because of fossil fuels, maybe there ain't no future. And I could care less what are the worries of the capital markets.

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posted 13 August 2008 04:09 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by Frustrated Mess:
One is closed and the other is focused on war crimes.

Actually, I just noticed that the general one is still open. Maybe we should keep this thread on ice till Part VII is closed.

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George Victor
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posted 13 August 2008 05:40 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post
Caring about the one and not the other leaves your reportage rather up in the air, FM.

Nowhere to go but d
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And you can't blame me for trying to work around your totally grim prognosis.


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Frustrated Mess
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posted 13 August 2008 05:43 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
But you agree with me, George. You know you do.
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George Victor
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posted 13 August 2008 05:59 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post
I agree with the statistics.

But there should be a voice saying "let's try this out" in reaction.

Every time!

And you have just caused one of my favourite songs, as sung by Willie Nelson, to be forever imprinted with a little state in the mountains where Joseph Stalin was born.

And, like, I thought that was kinda funny.

And don't tell me you don't like Willie's version.

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posted 13 August 2008 06:34 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Interestingly, in Gori they still have a certain pride that such an eminent citizen was born there:

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Michelle
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posted 13 August 2008 06:35 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Agent 204:

Actually, I just noticed that the general one is still open. Maybe we should keep this thread on ice till Part VII is closed.


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