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wwSwimming
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posted 03 February 2008 11:37 AM      Profile for wwSwimming     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"One broken communication cable is shit happens...

Two cut cables is WTF??

Three cut cables is something is going down...

Interesting that Tehran is now totally isolated from the world??"

from
http://www.peakoilstore.com/forum/index.php/topic,11779.0.html

Related links
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/asia.htm

From Carolyn Baker, a history professor somewhere in New Mexico
http://twilightpines.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=121&Itemid=67

"Internet Access to Iran Severed
Experts fear a Super Bowl attack"

Let's hope this conspiracy theory remains theoretical.

How often do submarine trunk lines, or whatever they're called, get severed, by happenstance, dragging boat anchors, etc. ? What is the usual technical cause for this kind of line break ?

[ 14 February 2008: Message edited by: wwSwimming ]


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saga
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posted 03 February 2008 01:01 PM      Profile for saga   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
U.S. aggression?
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Fidel
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posted 03 February 2008 09:01 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pentagon plans to 'fight the net' revealed

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When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone.

It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system.

"Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department [of Defense] will 'fight the net' as it would an enemy weapons system," it reads.

The slogan "fight the net" appears several times throughout the roadmap.


Ships did not cut internet cables: Egypt


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Fleabitn
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posted 03 February 2008 09:32 PM      Profile for Fleabitn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't believe everything you read on the 'net. Other than the data site, the links posted seem dubious at best. the bbc stories associated make no mention of Iran. A pretty thin spin on the events, imo.
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Fidel
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posted 03 February 2008 10:04 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yep you're right. I started reading this declassified U.S. Pentagon report(pdf) and thought to myself, Can we really trust anything signed by Donald Rumsfeld? And so I shook my head and cursed Rummy and all the chickenhawks. Get b'hind me, Rummy!!!
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remind
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posted 04 February 2008 09:32 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dave over at TGB has some interesting points regarding this.

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Those cables are about the width of a normal human thumb. And a ship's anchor would indeed rip right through one. But four? In three different locations in under a week? Run that little coincidence by any police detective and ask what she/he thinks.

So, at the risk of perpetrating a conspiracy theory, I will state that I am highly suspicious and until someone can point at USS Jimmy Carter snuggly alongside at its berth in Bangor, Washington, the Bush administration becomes as strong a suspect as any other possible perpetrator. There is also the fact that USS Jimmy Carter was due to become operational this year.

The Jimmy Carter, interestingly, is purpose built where its predecessors were regular attack subs modified for specific jobs. USS Parche was equipped with a set of pick-up arms designed to rip an armoured fiber-optic cable from its meter deep trench and tap into it. As a matter of certain knowledge, the USN did exactly that with submarines on Soviet undersea copper cables during the cold-war. They conducted a successful tap on the Soviet navy's Pacific Fleet headquarters when they tapped an undersea cable in the Sea of Okhotsk, which was discovered by the Soviets and another of the Kola Peninsula tapping into the Soviet Northern Fleet headquarters which remained undiscovered.


TGB

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Kinetix
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posted 04 February 2008 10:04 AM      Profile for Kinetix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fourth Cable Cut

A fourth cable has been cut, disrupting services to Qatar and the UAE. This fourth cable was slated to route backup Iranian traffic until repairs could be effected.

Monitor the Tehran, Iran primary router reachability status here


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wwSwimming
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posted 04 February 2008 01:34 PM      Profile for wwSwimming     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is statistically anomalous. Thanks for the links.

Israel has sent out some kind of Alert to its citizens, reminding them to have their bomb shelers ready.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080202132053.iohfg5ob&show_article=1

"Israelis told to prepare 'rocket rooms' for war"

I think that what is happening is, Israel is getting ready to attack Iran. "Israel" being shorthand for "Israel & the US".

Of course, they don't sit down and open up their manila folder and explain their policy.

In the history of the Internet and telephone communications, has anything like this occurred outside of war-time ? 3 or 4 Internet trunk lines somehow severed, in a space of 1 or 2 weeks, all in the same area of the world.

I smell something Skunky, and it's not the local foliage.

I wonder if the purpose of cutting the links is to make it harder for the rest of the world to see the results of the drive-by shooting in action. The proverbial Human cost.

other background info -
* Israel has stated they will not allow Iran to have nuclear power.
* Iran is scheduled to have Bushehr on-line in 2009. They worked out the contract kinds with Russia, and have received about 50% of the medium-enriched uranium needed for nuclear power.
This is much different than the HEU, highly enriched uranium, used for nuclear weapons.
* Bush 43 leaves office in about 1 year.

Hillary has stated emphatically that, "Iran, them's the Bad Guys."

There's also a lot of anti-war sentiment in the US to bring the troops home. If we look at an aerial view of the Strait of Hormuz area now, it is peppered liberally with American war-ships. Right off the coast of Iran (and Saudi Arabia), servicing the drive-by shootings in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If Israel is going to attack Iran, and the powers that be want American military support to support whatever their goals are (keep the oil flowing ?), the window of opportunity narrows.

I think we're watching something Large and Nefarious occur ... om, in addition to what is occurring in Iraq & Afghanistan and a scary number of other places around the world.

I will chill out and do my Flash homework.

[ 04 February 2008: Message edited by: wwSwimming ]


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posted 04 February 2008 02:16 PM      Profile for alisea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No question that it's odd, but the rumour that Iran is off the Internet has been thoroughly debunked, e.g.:

http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/02/attention_iran_is_not_disconne_1.shtml

Internettraficreport.com uses only one router to represent Iran. It is down, along with probably 20% of Iran's networks.

I worked on environmental assessments of those cables. They are about 1 inch in diameter, and easily broken. Near shore and in relatively shallow water they're routinely trenched one metre deep -- whence the environmental assessments -- to protect them from anchors, fish trawls, scallop drags, etc. Over hard bottom and in deeper water, however, they're just laid down -- no one's invented a plough yet that can bury them at depths of 1,000 m!

Troubling? Yes. Oddly coincidental? Yes. But given that nothing's happened since the first major breaks, repair ships are on their way, and no one's jamming shortwave or other communications out of Iran, I doubt it marks the start of an onslaught.

I think Canadian Beaver's comments on the spy subs are plausible, though.


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Fidel
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posted 04 February 2008 02:57 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by alisea:

, and no one's jamming shortwave or other communications out of Iran, I doubt it marks the start of an onslaught.

It wouldn't be a first for the vicious empire.


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sanizadeh
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posted 04 February 2008 03:40 PM      Profile for sanizadeh        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All Iranian-based sites (news, government, weblogs etc) that I could check, are running. I didn't see any disruption. The report is likely false.

Why would anybody wants to cut Iran from the Internet? It's not as if the country is ON the net anymore. The Iranian government is doing a near complete filtering job already!


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Fidel
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posted 04 February 2008 08:22 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm The timing must be a coincidence.

IOB Ready

quote:
Iran will open it's new oil bourse (oil stk mkt)in the next few days,according to Davoud Danesh-Jafari ,Iran's finance minister.
At a time when the American dollar is already soft,the selling of Iran's oil in Euros is expected to further devalue the American dollar.Some even go as far as to suggest that it will end the U.S. dollar hegemony.

The grand opening will be during the ceremonies that mark the victory of Iran over the U.S. puppet dictator who ruled over Iran in the 70's,prior to the Islamic revolution.Feb 1 - 11 2008. The location of the bourse will be the Island of Kish in the Persian Gulf.



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wwSwimming
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posted 14 February 2008 06:10 PM      Profile for wwSwimming     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's been more information coming out. One of the impacts of the cuts were to delay the opening of the Iranian Oil Bourse (Market), which is a non-petro-dollar market, which the Americans (Bush-Cheney Americans) REALLY don't like happening.

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/ConnectingTheDots.htm

one of many articles. Hard to keep up with all of them !


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Fidel
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posted 14 February 2008 07:59 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Venezuela Halts Oil Sales to Exxon Mobil Feb 12

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"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous... Having said that, all options are on the table." -- George W. Bush "the war presinut", February 2005

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