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jeff house
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posted 10 August 2007 06:48 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Wednesday defended his five sons' decision not to enlist in the military, saying they're showing their support for the country by "helping me get elected."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070808/romney-iowa/


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Michelle
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posted 10 August 2007 06:57 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't see why people should have to answer for their kids anyhow, unless they're actively helping them evade a draft call.

I like the campaign targeted at the young republicans themselves. It's better to confront the kids with their own hypocrisy than try to target their parents. The kids are the ones whose minds we have to change in the long run.


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meades
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posted 10 August 2007 07:46 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, now! Real estate management is a vital service for this country. Really, they're like doctors in a way.
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oldgoat
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posted 10 August 2007 07:52 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the five brothers website.

(not for the faint of heart)

If these dudes looked any more Republican they'd morph into Ken dolls. Maybe this has already happened.


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jeff house
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posted 10 August 2007 08:44 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I don't see why people should have to answer for their kids anyhow

Oh I think that you ought to be able to spare a couple of sons from your election campaign to fight in a war that you wholeheartedly support.

One of the worst things about the Iraq war is the way its burden falls upon a relatively small segment of the population, some of whom are now on their fourth tour of duty there.

People like Romney make no demands on their own social group (including those five sons) but are real clear that others should just keep on making sacrifices for his policies. No cutting and running for those other guys!

I'd be more sympathetic to the Romney Five if they were denouncing the war; instead, they "support" it using other peoples' lives.


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BetterRed
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posted 10 August 2007 08:57 AM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No kiddding,
Ugh
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97 & 98


I'm a little sad to be nearing the end of my tour of Iowa as I visited the 97th and 98th counties yesterday, although I must admit that I am excited both for the Iowa State Fair and the Ames Straw poll coming up. From what I hear you can get any sort of deep fried treat you'd like at the fair, I'm hoping for a Snickers. The life sized butter cow promises to be another highlight. As for Ames, I can't wait to see family and friends and work hard to get my dad a victory there.

Tagg and I visited Albert, the world's largest bull, in Audubon County.


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Posted at 2007-08-07 10:07:20 by Josh Romney | Comments [4]

DEL.ICIO.US FACEBOOK

Awaiting The Straw Poll


I haven't been able to post a blog in a while, as medical school duties have kept me bound to my home base here in Boston, and I haven't been able to join the tour in Iowa. I, like many of you, however, have been watching from afar. I'm actually jealous of my brothers as they meet so many wonderful people and get to experience life in the heart of America. Also like many of you, I've also been appreciative of their efforts and their dedication to my dad and to his vision for a strong and prosperous America. In reading some of your responses to the blogs, I've felt humbled by all the support you're offering - we appreciate the kind words of encouragement. I can't wait to join my family in Iowa this weekend for the Straw Poll. It's going to be a great experience, and hopefully all of my dad's and brothers' hard work in Iowa will pay off.


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Posted at 2007-08-07 09:47:06 by Ben Romney | Comments [2]



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HUAC
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posted 10 August 2007 05:13 PM      Profile for HUAC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They learned this from Prince Harry. If, for even the remotest of possible reasons, one of them showed up in the ME, he'd be "Tillmanned" in less than 5 minutes. Three in the head would look like warning shots.
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Michelle
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posted 10 August 2007 06:48 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
Oh I think that you ought to be able to spare a couple of sons from your election campaign to fight in a war that you wholeheartedly support.

You say that as if his sons are his property.

Are your sons your property? If you supported a war, would you have the right to "send" your sons to fight it?

I agree with you that his sons are hypocritical. But what I don't understand is why people would think that it's up to their parents to address that. They're adults. They make their own decisions about fighting, just as you do, just as I do.

Why go after him? Why not go after his sons instead? Or, if you're going to go after him, why not go after him for being a chickenhawk during Vietnam?

[ 10 August 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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jester
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posted 10 August 2007 07:22 PM      Profile for jester        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by HUAC:
They learned this from Prince Harry. If, for even the remotest of possible reasons, one of them showed up in the ME, he'd be "Tillmanned" in less than 5 minutes. Three in the head would look like warning shots.

Ahh..the cheap beer at happy hour.


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Malcolm
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posted 10 August 2007 10:10 PM      Profile for Malcolm   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by HUAC:
They learned this from Prince Harry.


That's not entirely fair. Unlike the Romneys, the Battenburgs themselves have taken no position on either the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan. Nonetheless, young Harry Battenburg did sign up and did want to serve because of some sense of duty. The decision was made by military officials that his presence would create tactical problems. , and not (so far as anyone can tell) by the Royals. Meanwhile, the Romneys who support the war are quite happy to let someone else fight it.


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Michelle
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posted 11 August 2007 04:35 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd love to see people asking the boys on the campaign trail why they're not fighting.

If they pull out the, "I'm serving the country by trying to make my daddy the president" line, then the follow-up question should be, "Are you comparing campaigning with your father with fighting for your country? You think they're an equal sacrifice in a time when the US desperately needs able-bodied troops?" Let's see them answer THAT question.

I read a book one time by Deborah Laake about what a cult Mormonism is. Pretty scary. And one of the things she said is that Mormons at Brigham Young University are conservative and warmongerers - but they hardly ever actually served when there was a draft, because first they would go to university, and then they would do their missions, all of which was MUCH more important than actually, you know, FIGHTING the wars they supported. That was for other able-bodied young men.


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ceti
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posted 11 August 2007 10:52 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In other news, a film "September Dawn" is coming out about the Mormon massacre of passing settlers at Mountain Meadows on September 11 (!) 1857.

I wonder how this expose of Mormon fanaticism will play for Romney and his many progeny.

Check it out at: http://www.septemberdawn.net/


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gricelda
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posted 15 August 2007 10:13 AM      Profile for gricelda     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The USA has a volunteer army. If any young man does not wish to get shot at, then that is definitely his decision to make regardless of who his father is.

However, if the boys are stating that they are serving their country by helping get their father elected then I would argue that premise.

First, if they believe that by being around and talking to people, passing out leaflets, etc is going to gain significant votes for their father, then I would say they are in error. If their objective is to get more votes for their father then I would say that showing the American voters that they are willing to defend their country and possibly die for it will bring in significantly more votes. Rather meaning lead by example.

Plus there would be added benefits. With his son’s in the theater of war he would have first hand knowledge of what is really going on, if the body armor is getting delivered, if there is sufficient support, etc.

But here is my problem if I were an American voter. Their father is obviously leading by word. He did not serve his country in Vietnam. In order for the United States or any country to be strong their leader needs to lead by example. Why would I want to vote for anyone who leads by talking too much.

President Harry S. Truman had a sign on his desk that said, “The Buck stops Here.” What would be the sign on the desk if Romney gets elected, “Don’t blame me. I told them how to do it and they screwed it up.”

Personally, I think Hillary should send Bill to fight for this country.


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jeff house
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posted 15 August 2007 07:58 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Why go after him? Why not go after his sons instead?

He is running for President. He is supporting the war, and even the "surge". So, I "go after him".

Of course I don't own my sons, nor does Romney own his. Here's the difference, though; if I were supporting a war, and encouraging young men to volunteer for the good of the nation, yet couldn't get my sons to go, I wouldn't run for President. I'd go hide in a hole.


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