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Ken Burch
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posted 08 November 2006 02:40 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The defeat of the Far Right in last night's congressional elections is not the end of the job.

We have to use this new space to organize, to demonstrate, to build support for a TRUE progressive program.

Like any other officeholders, the newly elected Democratic Congress will try to do as little as possible to reward grass-roots and activist support. We have to hold their feet to the fire!

We should now be planning mass rallies to coincide with the swearing-in of the new Congress on peace, social justice, economic justice and electoral reform.

And continued organization to build on the start we have made.

Let's get to it.

Congratulations to the winners. And remember, we've got our eyes on you.


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Porteno_Canuck
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posted 08 November 2006 02:50 PM      Profile for Porteno_Canuck        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
what do we need to do for economic justice? what is economic justice? how do we apply it? how do we measure success?
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Ken Burch
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posted 08 November 2006 03:01 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll assume you meant that as a serious question and offer a serious answer.

Economic justice would comprise measures to reduce concentration of wealth at the very top and to make sure the working people who actually create the wealth get their proper share of it.

It would include a higher minimum wage(at the least) and could also include properly taxing the wealthiest(including preserving the estate tax) and finally creating single-payer health care.

Taken to a logical conclusion, it would encompass finding a way to give working people a real say in economic decision making. If you create the wealth, you should help determine what the wealth is used for.


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Porteno_Canuck
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posted 08 November 2006 03:15 PM      Profile for Porteno_Canuck        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
why not just take all wealth and divide equally amongst everyone?

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working people who actually create the wealth get their proper share of it.

That sounds like capitalism. shouldn't it be from those according to ability to those accroding to need. If someone creates more wealth than they need, i don't see how that can be justice.


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posted 08 November 2006 03:48 PM      Profile for SubZeroCat        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
there is no such thing as leftist yanks they are all kkkaptitalist
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Ken Burch
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posted 08 November 2006 03:57 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually there are more of us than you think.

And the election shows our ranks are growing.


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posted 08 November 2006 04:02 PM      Profile for SubZeroCat        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
democrats would be rightwing extremsts anywhere else int he world their not leftist hahaha

amerikkka is the problem not just the republikkkans


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jas
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posted 08 November 2006 04:23 PM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually SubZeroCat, can we have just this ONE day to feel good about America again? One 24-hour period where we can like our American neighbours again? It's so refreshing, I just don't want to spoil it. Feel free to return to your anti-American sentiments again tomorrow.
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Ken Burch
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posted 08 November 2006 04:25 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Assuming SubZeroCat is actually a leftist or even "anti-American".

He has right-wing troll in drag written all over him.


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SubZeroCat
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posted 08 November 2006 04:29 PM      Profile for SubZeroCat        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
im just saying what the rest of the world thinks theres more to the world than amerika and we dont see much difference between your two partys

its less bad than it couldve been thats true the dems arent as bad as the republikkkans lets hope for the best


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Michelle
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posted 09 November 2006 03:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, SubZeroCat is gone now.
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nussy
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posted 09 November 2006 03:40 AM      Profile for nussy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think all the Americans did was vote for a different set of lobbyists. Is there really a difference between the two parties? Perhaps the neo cons will not have as much power but Halliburton still rules.
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Ken Burch
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posted 09 November 2006 09:40 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, as I said, this election isn't the end of the job.

What it does is create space to move forward.


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Noise
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posted 09 November 2006 11:12 AM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good thread derail those posts provided ^^

But I'll echo your sentiments Ken... When I left the election coverage and headed to bed, it was 49 repubs to 48 dems in the senate with 3 seats that looked like they were going to the Democrats... My last thought before dozing off was 'Sweet, now I can like my American neighbors again'


added:

Yes, I know the Democrats are likely to the right of our Conservatives... But I don't see this as a Democrat victory I don't think the majority of swing voters voted pro-Democrat, they voted anti-Repbulican and anti-Bush admin... And I whole heartadely support the American peoples rejection of Bush and quite enjoyed watching the world cheer the results.

[ 09 November 2006: Message edited by: Noise ]


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comrade_cuchulainn
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posted 09 November 2006 01:46 PM      Profile for comrade_cuchulainn        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone who thinks the Democrats are any different than the Republicans is kidding themselves. Both parties act at the behest of the coporate paymasters and will NEVER bite the hand that feeds them.
Unfortunately, I live in the land of the 'free' (lol!) and any Progressive change for the Woker will be shot down as soon as the attack dogs get wind of it.
Every Progressive politician has been slandered or murdered by the State.
Bide your time, and wait for the REAL revolution!

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Sisyphus
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posted 09 November 2006 01:53 PM      Profile for Sisyphus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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As I stood in line for coffee on the morning after election night, a Democratic Party supporter ahead of me in line said, "Thank God this country is finally switching trains."

If only that were true.

On Election Day 2006, the U.S. public didn"t switch trains but simply ratified a different group of conductors.

It"s the same old train, on the same tracks, heading in the same direction.

This isn"t an argument that there are never any meaningful differences between politicians; sometimes it does matter who is giving the orders on the train. But on this day after the morning-after, it"s crucial for those with a critical perspective to highlight that this train -- contemporary U.S. society -- is barreling forward toward disaster, no matter who"s punching tickets.

Here"s the unavoidable reality: Our train is on an unsustainable course in cultural, political, economic, and ecological terms. In a predatory corporate capitalist economy in an imperial state -- a system that values the concentration of wealth and power, and devalues people -- certain things are inevitable:



Just like Canada.

Robert Jensen calls it right again


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Fidel
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posted 09 November 2006 06:02 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think in order for democracy to have the appearance of working in this case, war criminals should be arraigned, stiff sentences handed down, and Liberal regulations of the economy enacted. Otherwise, the same old same old will happen all over again in another six to ten years time like clockwork. It's like building a house and having a nemesis come and vandalize what you've accomplished. It never gets built.
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Ken Burch
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posted 09 November 2006 06:15 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with you on all of that, Fidel.
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Fidel
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posted 09 November 2006 06:21 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Porteno_Canuck:

That sounds like capitalism. shouldn't it be from those according to ability to those accroding to need. If someone creates more wealth than they need, i don't see how that can be justice.

The capitalists are always free to move to deserted island together and start from scratch. That should entail about 2 - 3 million or so high net-worth Americans living on compound interest and the backs of working Americans.

On that new island named Galapagos Inc., the superrich can delegate tasks to other superrich members of society. Like who will build hospitals and roads and pay for education and sewers and water and electric power generation and distribution, policing, schools, and military to prevent other marauding capitalists from taking them over with a mercenary army.

The creme de la creme can have all the wealth they create with their own little hands until one of the actual workers creating the actual wealth whips out a calculator and says, Hey, wait a minute here, you blood-sucking leeches!


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