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Gir Draxon
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posted 06 October 2005 11:58 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So there are many threads on the virtues of Linux... but how about the vices? What can't Linux do?

Instead of asking "Why should I switch to Linux?" I am asking "Why should I stay with Windows?"

I am thinking of a new desktop system in the upcoming 1-2 years. I'm thinking something fast and powerful... but what if I were to go ahead and install Linux instead of a Windows OS... would I be able to do more than check my email, surf the net, and use office apps? What kind of media device support does Linux have to rival XP Media Edition? Can I run most of the latest PC games using WINE or some similar utility?

I know that a dual boot system can do everything I asked, but I am not interested in that. I am talking about an exclusively Linux operated system.


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maestro
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posted 07 October 2005 12:22 AM      Profile for maestro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would like to see the answers to those questions myself, but don't you think this should be in Babblers helping babblers?

That seems to be where most of the Linux threads are.


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No Yards
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posted 07 October 2005 12:30 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you're into gaming, then Windows is probably the better choice, or a real gaming platform is even a better option.

For multi media type jobs, that's a trade off ... I thing Windows still supports more hardware, but when Linux finds a board it likes, it is usually a faster, more flexible, and stable platform.


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radiorahim
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posted 07 October 2005 01:07 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah gaming is definitely the weakness with Linux.

Here's one approach, a programme called Cedega from a company called Trans Gaming that allows Windows games to be played on Linux.

This particular software isn't free.

Extreme Tech.com review of Cedega 4.0

Just in case it makes you feel "warm and fuzzy", Trans Gaming is a Canadian software company.

With audio and video formats, especially WMP formats you may have to fiddle a bit to get them working correctly.

[ 07 October 2005: Message edited by: radiorahim ]


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Rufus Polson
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posted 07 October 2005 03:47 AM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, radiorahim pretty much nailed the list as far as I can figure. Gaming, the latest Windows Media formats.
Also, you can't run MS Office. And there's no Linux equivalent of some of the tax software--although these days a lot of tax software is web-based. These can be run using Crossover Office, which costs money. Or using Wine, which from what I hear tends to be a PITA to get working. (Crossover Office is actually a prettified up version of Wine with an easy install; in a different way with a different focus, so is Cedega)

There are many other little niche Windows programs which have no real equivalent on Linux. But not as many as you might think; there are masses of little open source programs out there too, these days.


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radiorahim
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posted 07 October 2005 05:06 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some folks have claimed that some of the Window$ apps actually run a bit faster on Linux with Cross Over and Cedega...but your mileage as they say will vary.

I do have Cross Over running on my Xandros Desktop OS3 box. On some stuff it works fine, some it doesn't. Windows Media Player is one of the "problem" programmes. It can't seem to find my video card and runs steaming video in old fashioned 16 colour and can't seem to find the sound card.

Although I can play WMP files through open source alternative programmes after a bit of fiddling...although not always within a browser window.

The other thing you may have problems with is doing security updates to M$ programmes that you're running from within Cross Over Office.

Most of the inter-operability problems are the result of the M$ source code not being publicly available and everything being reverse engineered to make it work.

By the way, the current (October) issue of "Tux Magazine" (a free online Linux magazine aimed at newbies) has a tutorial on how to setup Cedega.

You can subscribe at Tux Magazine.com

[ 07 October 2005: Message edited by: radiorahim ]


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Gir Draxon
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posted 08 October 2005 01:12 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you for the replies. In my particular situation, I am starting to think about a new computer. I intend on keeping the one I have right now, but I am considering a new desktop. I am thinking about something that will be able to run some games, but not nessecarily the bleeding edge in terms of graphics. Something that I can also use a mutlimedia center. What I am considering is not even bothering with Vista or whatever the hell is shipped with the system and going right to Linux because that is where I think the future lies... so I created this thread knowing the reasons why Linux OSs are generally good, and wondering why it is that one would want to stick with windows.

The way I see it right now, the best solution for me might be a commercial distro. Way cheaper than MS stuff, and no hours spend downloading or burning. High quality CDs with lots of apps and drivers included sounds pretty good to me. I just hesitate to proclaim myself a Linux faithful if the extent of my computer usage will be limited to Firefox, Thunderbird, and OO.o Might as well forgo the new system and use an old 400Mhz box instead if that is the case.


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posted 08 October 2005 01:24 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Get a MAC!

Or else I shall forcefully convert you to the virtues of OS X.


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radiorahim
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posted 08 October 2005 02:02 AM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Get a MAC!

Or else I shall forcefully convert you to the virtues of OS X.


If you can afford it

Certainly more game titles available, and more commercial software available that runs on it.
There aren't any problems with hardware and drivers because Apple keeps tight control of it.

If you want to go to a more "commercial" Linux distro there's Xandros, Linspire, Suse and Mandriva.

The open (freebee) version of Novell Suse 10.0 was released this week and the freebee version of Mandriva 2006 will be out next week.

Linspire runs around $50 U.S. I was reading that they have a deal going with Cedega.

Xandros runs around $100 for the "paid" version.

If you're new to Linux I'd highly recommend a "junque box test" on a spare machine...or at least trying a "live CD".


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Rufus Polson
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posted 08 October 2005 02:27 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
Thank you for the replies. In my particular situation, I am starting to think about a new computer. I intend on keeping the one I have right now, but I am considering a new desktop. I am thinking about something that will be able to run some games, but not nessecarily the bleeding edge in terms of graphics.

Incidentally, I'd suggest watching what graphics card the new box has. From all I hear, NVidia tends to have pretty good drivers for Linux, whereas other companies often do not. Luckily, from all I hear NVidia is also one of the best brands.

quote:
Something that I can also use as a multimedia center. What I am considering is not even bothering with Vista or whatever the hell is shipped with the system and going right to Linux because that is where I think the future lies...

Y'know, I don't know how things are around your way, but where I live we tend to have these local free rags called stuff like "The Computer Paper". All the computer stores, including the little up-a-flight-of-stairs holes in the wall, advertise in them, and the prices tend to be quite a bit lower than at, like, FutureShop or whatnot. And you can probably get them with a bit less bundled software, paying less for the system that way. Not much point paying for Windows L8est&Gr8est plus office etc. if you're just going to wipe them and put in Linux.


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The way I see it right now, the best solution for me might be a commercial distro. Way cheaper than MS stuff, and no hours spend downloading or burning.

Of the commercial, desktop-intended distros, Xandros seems to get a fair amount of respect when it comes to the all-out for user friendliness distros. Linspire has been kind of controversial; I've tended to find it annoying.
Now, Xandros and Linspire are very user-friendly, to the point where they basically include one selected application for each job, and one desktop. This is indeed very easy to work with. But if you want the full breadth of applications so you can decide which ones you like best, and don't mind the arduous possibilities involved in picking Gnome or KDE, you might want to consider a bought copy of Mandriva. It's about the only distribution that's desktop-oriented, commercial, and also gives you choices rather than making them for you.


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posted 08 October 2005 02:32 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm a Mandriva fan myself, too. I'm running Mandrake 10.0. OpenOffice performs most of my office needs, which primarily involve slideshows and spreadsheets. (My word processing is scientific so I use LaTeX, and I also do some slideshows in LaTeX---with effects, too!)
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Cougyr
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posted 08 October 2005 03:22 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
All the computer stores, including the little up-a-flight-of-stairs holes in the wall, . . . . And you can probably get them with a bit less bundled software, paying less for the system that way. Not much point paying for Windows L8est&Gr8est plus office etc. if you're just going to wipe them and put in Linux.

That's what I did. A little hole in the wall store built a machine to my specs for roughly the same cost as if I built it myself. The tech was told that he could install only enough to test the machine, because it would all be wiped. So, I didn't pay the Microsoft tax. Saved several hundred $$$ doing that.


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Brian White
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posted 12 October 2005 03:09 AM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Linux doesnt do im with webcam support as far as I know. I do not know if the linux vidio conferencing thingy (gnomemeeting) works with netmeeting.
I know some poor deaf people who would really a linux im with webcam support.
I use linux all the time and I lost contact with some of my friends when msn changed so that kopete no longer worked with msn mesenger.
I dont think linux supports wma or wmv files either. That is a problem because those damn files are everywhere now.
But I really apreciate that I havnt got a virus related computer breakdown in 2 years.
Brian

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Rufus Polson
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posted 12 October 2005 08:26 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think wma is OK. WMV 9 I'm having problems with, but earlier ones were OK. Lag time whenever the bastards come up with a new version.
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