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unionist
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posted 26 September 2006 11:51 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Church removes Zambia archbishop

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Pope Benedict XVI has excommunicated a Zambian archbishop, Emmanuel Milingo, two days after he ordained four married men as bishops.

A Vatican statement said he had been automatically excommunicated under church law because of his actions. [...]

Correspondents say that Archbishop Milingo has long been a controversial figure in the Roman Catholic Church.

Six years ago, he married a South Korean woman at a mass wedding in New York organised by the Korean-based Unification Church - the so-called "Moonies".


Benedict is a subtle thinker. He blasted Canada for allowing same-sex marriages, now Zambia is in shit with Jesus for blessing opposite sex marriages.

Is there a third sex we should be hearing about?


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Boom Boom
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posted 26 September 2006 12:15 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Benedict is a subtle thinker. He blasted Canada for allowing same-sex marriages, now Zambia is in shit with Jesus for blessing opposite sex marriages.

I know you meant this in jest, but for the uninitiated, the Vatican does not permit married priests within its ranks. The Vatican is under the control of a very conservative pope at present; and faces rebellious clergy and laity who are calling for changes to allow married clergy, women priests, and openly gay clergy.


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unionist
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posted 26 September 2006 12:23 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:

I know you meant this in jest, but for the uninitiated, the Vatican does not permit married priests within its ranks. The Vatican is under the control of a very conservative pope at present; and faces rebellious clergy and laity who are calling for changes to allow married clergy, women priests, and openly gay clergy.


Are you 100% sure that the Vatican allows an African to marry a Korean? I think that's the real story here.


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 26 September 2006 01:22 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Boom Boom:
I know you meant this in jest, but for the uninitiated, the Vatican does not permit married priests within its ranks.

Actually, this is not quite true. There are a number of "Churches" or "Rites" within the Catholic Church, all of which are in full communion with the Vatican. The Latin Rite or Roman Rite is by far the largest -- many people misidentify the Latin Rite with the Catholic Church. But there are many Eastern Rite Catholics, to be disitnguished from Eastern Orthodox Christians: the Eastern Rite Catholics have rituals that ressemble Eastern Orthodox rituals, but, unlike the Orthodox, they recognize the authority of the Pope and they are in "full communion" with Rome. They are considered by the Vatican to be Catholics in every sense: they simply differ in liturgy, ecclesiastical discipline, and spiritual heritage from the Latin Rite. (source, source, source, source, source)

And the Eastern Rites within the Catholic Church have married priests. To be more explicit, Eastern Rite Catholic bishops are permitted to ordain married men, though ordained men are not permitted to get married. (You have to get married first.) As remarked by Pope Paul VI, "[Celibacy] is not demanded by the very nature of the priesthood, as is apparent from the practice of the early Church and from the traditions of the Eastern Churches. where, besides those who with all the bishops, by a gift of grace, choose to observe celibacy, there are also married priests of highest merit. This holy synod, while it commends ecclesiastical celibacy, in no way intends to alter that different discipline which legitimately flourishes in the Eastern Churches." (source)

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slimpikins
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posted 26 September 2006 01:49 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting story. A buddy of mine, somewhere in the middle of 6 kids, Catholic family. His parents seperate, then divorce. After several years of trying, they manage to get an 'annulment'. I remember this disctinctly, as when he said that meant the marriage had technically never taken place I started to refer to him as a 'retroactive bastard'.

Several years later, his parents reconcile. They are currently living together, unmarried, as the church won't let them marry in the church. Not sure if it is because they were married before, or because they are living together, or what. Just another example of Catholicism not seein the forest for the trees.


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unionist
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posted 26 September 2006 01:59 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by slimpikins:
They are currently living together, unmarried, as the church won't let them marry in the church. Not sure if it is because they were married before, or because they are living together, or what.

Is one of them a Zambian archbishop by any chance? That could explain it.

A while back I nominated the Catholic Church to be placed on Canada's terrorism list. It may be time for a second try.


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slimpikins
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posted 26 September 2006 02:03 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, they are what would colloquially be known as 'trailer trash' in the town I grew up in. I was over for dinner once and the topic came up. I said that they should save up and buy an indulgence, they were not amused.

Amazing how the catholic church can dick with someone's life like that and still inspire even a tepid form of loyalty.


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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 26 September 2006 02:14 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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They are currently living together, unmarried, as the church won't let them marry in the church. Not sure if it is because they were married before, or because they are living together, or what. Just another example of Catholicism not seein the forest for the trees.[/QB]

Interesting story. If neither party married someone else in the interim, then we have two technically never married individuals who want to get married in the Catholic Church. The fact that they're living together is not a serious impediment: I know numerous young couples living together who got married in the Church, even when the priest knew they were living together. (In fact, they were fast-tracked.) Could it be that they are not regular churchgoers? Many priests will refuse to officiate at the sacrament of marriage to people who do not regularly attend mass. Of course, maybe the priest is a prig. (Not all are, though.)


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slimpikins
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posted 26 September 2006 02:20 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They go to mass at least once a week, although I understand that they may have fallen off the wagon somewhat after being denied a catholic (re)marriage.

Neither of them had married in the interim.

Don't ask me to understand what is in the mind of a catholic priest........


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libertarian
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posted 26 September 2006 02:25 PM      Profile for libertarian        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't see the point of this thread: who cares what the Roman Catholic Church does? Maybe people are trying to point to them and say how un-progressive or dumb they are? Just a waste of electrons as far as I can see.
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Noise
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posted 26 September 2006 02:49 PM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
the Vatican does not permit married priests within its ranks.

Exactly, the Vatican only prefer men who aren't attracted to women to be within their ranks ^^

Added:

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'retroactive bastard'

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marzo
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posted 26 September 2006 03:08 PM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by libertarian:
I don't see the point of this thread: who cares what the Roman Catholic Church does? Maybe people are trying to point to them and say how un-progressive or dumb they are? Just a waste of electrons as far as I can see.

The RCChurch is difficult to ignore because it's huge and when it promotes harmful nonsense it can cause a lot of damage.

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Michelle
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posted 26 September 2006 03:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by libertarian:
I don't see the point of this thread: who cares what the Roman Catholic Church does? Maybe people are trying to point to them and say how un-progressive or dumb they are? Just a waste of electrons as far as I can see.

Then maybe you should just ignore the thread if you aren't interested.


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slimpikins
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posted 26 September 2006 03:22 PM      Profile for slimpikins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If we ignore them, will they promise to go away? I just don't want to leave them alone too long and be caught off guard by a crusade......
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posted 26 September 2006 03:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

(Yeah, yeah, I know, you said the Crusades, but what the heck.)


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