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Yvon Thivierge
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posted 13 July 2005 12:12 AM      Profile for Yvon Thivierge     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This Neanderthal Poop has apparently banned or condemned all Harry Potter books!
Leave it to the Rotten Catholic Church to start burning "indexed" or otherwise outlawed books at the stake so they can more easily impose their oppressive views and dogmas on society!

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/jul/05071301.html


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Papal Bull
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posted 13 July 2005 12:32 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay. So he went from a "well, I'll just keep Church policy the same..." sort of Pope to a "THE BEATLES ARE A TOOL OF SUPER-SATAN! SATAN'S SUPERIORLY SATANIC DAD!" sort of Pope.

Wow. He's just ASKING for the RCC to fade into obscurity.


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posted 13 July 2005 12:36 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, to paraphrase the Beatles, those books are more popular than Jesus. That's gotta burn. Maybe the Bible needs a rewrite; less smiting and begatting, more Quiddich.
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posted 13 July 2005 02:29 AM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i thought i'd already responded to this thread. where did my post go?

how do we know about the authenticity of these letters?

quote:
posted by magoo:
Well, to paraphrase the Beatles, those books are more popular than Jesus.

really? i always thought that the bible was the biggest selling book worldwide.

man alive, talk about mind control. kids and writers aren't even allowed to have an imagination. or they are allowed a limited imagination because they are told what to think and what not to. i grew up on enchanting stories that were very similar to harry potter books written by enid blyton. those books were such a wonderful place to travel/escape to ... hmmm... maybe that's why i rejected catholicism. damn those enid blyton books.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 13 July 2005 03:27 AM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Re: what outsells what.

Depends on your time frame. The Bible was certainly the biggest-selling work of the twentieth century, with Lord of the Rings the biggest-selling fiction.

But in the time since Potter books started coming out, they've outsold everything. I suspect that they'll keep on having healthy sales for a while after the last book and then the last movie tie-in come out, but that will inevitably decline. The question is whether they'll gradually disappear or whether they'll settle into long-term solid seller status like LoTR.

So I wonder what the pontiff's beef is? Is it fairly specific to Harry Potter, or is it a broad enough problem to take in any fiction with "magic" in it? Would he, ironically, be anti- Lord of the Rings? (ironically given that the author of Rings was a better and more erudite Catholic than Pope Rat could dream of being)


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Gir Draxon
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posted 13 July 2005 03:38 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think he should go all the way and demand actual burnings.

Just think of how well that will play in the media


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 13 July 2005 05:08 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yvon Thivierge:
This Neanderthal Poop has apparently banned or condemned all Harry Potter books!

Just when you thought it was impossible for Harry Potter to become more popular...


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Hephaestion
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posted 13 July 2005 05:37 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
The Bible was certainly the biggest-selling work of the twentieth century, with Lord of the Rings the biggest-selling fiction.

Sorry, RP, but could you clarify something for me? What category is the bible in, then?


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posted 13 July 2005 05:48 AM      Profile for Betray My Secrets     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's hard to enjoy Harry Potter when your favourite book is Mein Kampf.

As for me, I'm calling the local book stores to see who's open early Saturday. (I prefer, Amazon, but for some reason Canada Post is too fucking lazy to deliver to Cornwall on Saturdays even though it;s right in the middle of the Windsor-Quebec corridor, a major stop on the 401, and right between Ottawa and Montreal.)

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: Betray My Secrets ]


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Melsky
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posted 13 July 2005 05:50 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My very Catholic mother-in-law warned us not to buy any of those horrible witchcraft books for our neices! This was a couple of years ago.
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Hailey
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posted 13 July 2005 07:11 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
This Neanderthal Poop has apparently banned or condemned all Harry Potter books!
Leave it to the Rotten Catholic Church to start burning "indexed" or otherwise outlawed books at the stake so they can more easily impose their oppressive views and dogmas on society!

The Pope is actually way behind most of the more conservative pentecostal churches that have been extremely critical of the books. Harry Potter isn't even allowed in the library of most christian schools and there would be tremendous pressure on a parent that was providing that resource to their child during time at home.

The RC has been very tardy about following suit. I don't think he's proposing burning anything. I also bet that six months from now you will find them in many RC school libraries. The Pope is simply making a recommendation.

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My very Catholic mother-in-law warned us not to buy any of those horrible witchcraft books for our neices! This was a couple of years ago.

Man. Everyone here thinks it's so extreme. This is just run of the mill stuff in terms of people trying to protecting their kids. I can't think of too many people I know that would let their child read Harry Potter. Infact...I don't know anyone...I suppose my brother and his wife might buy someone else's children that but they are not Christian and feel no responsibility to follow any of those guidelines. I honestly can't think of anyone else.

Harry Potter is considered even more extreme than, say, the smurf of years ago.


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Melsky
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posted 13 July 2005 07:13 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't imagine having a child and not getting those books for them! I enjoy them myself. I would have really loved them when I was a kid.
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posted 13 July 2005 07:14 AM      Profile for Betray My Secrets     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:

Man. Everyone here thinks it's so extreme. This is just run of the mill stuff in terms of people trying to protecting their kids. I can't think of too many people I know that would let their child read Harry Potter. Infact...I don't know anyone...I suppose my brother and his wife might buy someone else's children that but they are not Christian and feel no responsibility to follow any of those guidelines. I honestly can't think of anyone else.

Harry Potter is considered even more extreme than, say, the smurf of years ago.


You must live around really stupid and really pathetic "people".


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kuri
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posted 13 July 2005 07:24 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, I knew people in my hometown that were as Hailey describes. They were very consistent and pulled their kids out of school for the last days when all the coursework was done and (children's or pg13) movies where shown. Even the Smurfs were verboten for these people. One of the more extreme families forbade their children from participation in Halloween activities. I always felt sorry for them, because they had to sit alone in the library while the rest of us got to dress up in costumes, play games and whatnot. They were a minority (they comprised the Jehovah's witnesses and also the Conservative faction of the local United Church), but it's not totally unheard of. I don't agree with it, obviously, (or the notion that we should "protect" children by shielding them from the news and other media in general) but it's not totally weird or rare either.

[ 13 July 2005: Message edited by: kurichina ]


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Hailey
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posted 13 July 2005 07:49 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't read them myself Melsky but they are obviously very very popular. I noticed they are even having harry potter parties at a bookstore here!

quote:
You must live around really stupid and really pathetic "people".


Well, sorry to feel that way. To me that's just normalacy to me. Some people take quite seriously the whole idea of guarding their child from perceived harm. Nobody's looking to ban a book from public purchase it's simply inviting people to make certain decisions as a parent.


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One of the more extreme families forbade their children from participation in Halloween activities. I always felt sorry for them, because they had to sit alone in the library while the rest of us got to dress up in costumes, play games and whatnot.

I've not gone halloweening. I never felt I missed out as you describe because for the vast majority of the years I was a student I wasn't educated in a classroom setting but at home. I do remember at church they gave out bible tracts that were supposed to be given out to children that came to the door but my parents never bought into that. We gave out candy but we weren't allowed to go to houses and ask for it. I have to admit I always always wanted to be allowed to go out and do that. It's not a big deal it was just a re-occuring wish at that time of year.

I am puzzled why it's a bad thing for Christian families to guard their kids from perceived harm if they are not asking for a public banning or anything. It would be no different from not wanting a teacher to read a horoscope in class, not wanting palm reading or tarot cards in the classroom, saying no to ouija boards and D&D, expressing concern about the care bears etc.


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Melsky
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posted 13 July 2005 07:59 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can't imagine this ban having too much of an effect. I think most people who would forbid their poor little innocent children to read this already have.

Personally, I'm against banning books. I think I'd rather have them read it and talk about it afterwards. Even a book with extreme violence and weird sex and slavery stuff in it like the bible!


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Hailey
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posted 13 July 2005 08:04 AM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Banning? They are talking about individual parents being encouraged by the leader of their faith not to expose their own individual children to something. I don't see a call for a public ban.
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posted 13 July 2005 08:21 AM      Profile for Rabelais     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Crap like this is why I high-tailed it out of Christianity the second I could.
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posted 13 July 2005 08:33 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kurichina:
...One of the more extreme families forbade their children from participation in Halloween activities. [...] They were a minority (they comprised the Jehovah's witnesses and also the Conservative faction of the local United Church)...

Yaaa, I've heard the JWs don't like Hallowe'en 'coz they don't like strangers wandering up and knocking on their door...


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