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N.Beltov
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posted 12 October 2007 08:03 AM

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In Mr. Kasparov's thinking, attacking is as integral to business or politics as it is to chess; those who win do so not only by forcing their opponents into a retreat, but using their newly held advantage to launch further "assaults." A failure to do this can be fatal, he said, furnishing the Wright Brothers, Wang computers and AltaVista as examples of pioneers who ceded their positions to more aggressive rivals.
... In business, the best attack is always pre-emptive. An opponent or competitor who is under pressure is more likely to make a mistake."

Kasparov: "Attack and don't relent."

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jeff house
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posted 12 October 2007 08:53 AM

Ok, I'll vote for Putin then.

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Caissa
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posted 12 October 2007 09:46 AM

Kasparov has alway been a nasty piece of work. I'm wondering if the anti-semitic Russioan press will make anything of his birth name Weinstein.

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Free_Radical
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posted 12 October 2007 10:25 AM

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N.Beltov
[B]In case you thought Garry Kasparov was progressive...[B]

And this has what to do with progressivism, exactly?

Who knew that competitive businesses (or competitive political parties for that matter) are completely anathema to progressivism? But N.Beltov has spoken. It must be true.

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N.Beltov
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posted 12 October 2007 10:26 AM

Jeff is right if he means to imply that Putin is worse than Kasparov. But it's like listening to a Conservative leadership convention between Putin and him. The rude things the candidates say about each other are all true.

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jeff house
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posted 12 October 2007 01:04 PM

Actually I think Bel'tov thinks Kasparov isn't progressive because Kasparov has regularly crushed the Nimzo-Indian Defence by way of the Rubenstein variation.

Talk about aggressive!

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unionist
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posted 12 October 2007 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by jeff house:
Actually I think Bel'tov thinks Kasparov isn't progressive because Kasparov has regularly crushed the Nimzo-Indian Defence by way of the Rubenstein variation.
Talk about aggressive!

Yeah maybe, but he favours the Najdorf variant of the Sicilian Defence against P-K4 (or whatever it's called in modern parlance). That makes him progressive-defensive-passive-aggressive!

[ 12 October 2007: Message edited by: unionist ]

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Cueball
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posted 12 October 2007 01:14 PM

Actually, I was going to say that the Rubenstien Variation of the Nizo-indian (played in Queens Gambit -- declined) is very progressive as it seeks to "open up" both of Whites Bishops, in a way that gives equal opportunity to Whites black squared Bishop.

[ 12 October 2007: Message edited by: Cueball ]

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Doug
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posted 12 October 2007 02:11 PM

I don't see how what Kasparov says isn't progressive - or at least that it can't be applied by progressives. It seems to me that progressives could do with a good dose of reality about moral victories not being worth a whole lot and the need to compete against people with different agendas effectively.

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Adam T
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posted 16 October 2007 04:06 AM

Since N Beltov is
1.attacking Gary Kasparov for suggesting that you have to attack people in politics
2.saying you can't be progressive if you suggest attacking people in politics

it logically follows that N Beltov isn't progressive.

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Caissa
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posted 16 October 2007 04:18 AM

Anyone for a game of Progressive Chess?

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N.Beltov
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posted 16 October 2007 07:18 AM

My original comment was meant, in part, to draw attention to Kasparov's remark that attacking is necessary in order to launch "further assaults". I thought the point would be obvious for anyone on the left that this sounds very much like a theoretical justification for the neo-liberalism and such of today. Apparently, I didn't spell it out enough. It's not an earth-shaking point by any means, I know, but I thought my contribution might be useful to some babblers who were otherwise dazzled by Kasparov's past prowess over the chess board.

Kasparov is currently on a book tour with chess journalist Mig Greengard. And I have discovered, through Mig's chess site, a list of Garry's favourite books. The authors include Ronald Reagan and Winston Churchill, as well as the expected Solzhenitsyn and so on. Garry, it seems, is a big fan of Napoleon Bonaparte as well.

See the books that have inspired Garry Kasparov

Kasparov seems to like conservatives and reactionaries. That much should be clear. I'm also beginning to think he is like a present-day Trotsky to a Stalin-esque Putin - but maybe I'm reading too much into his present role. I'm not entirely clear on how seriously he is taken in Russia today, as opposed to how much sympathetic press coverage he gets from the Wall Street Journal and so on to make him appear more significant, politically, than he really is.

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