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Kindred
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posted 08 December 2002 03:03 AM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My brother is coming to visit this weekend from the US. He was held up at Blaine border crossing for 2 hours being interrogated. They even phoned me and asked me if I knew him, asked me to spell his last name, how long would he be in Canada - when would he be leaving and so on.

He said he thought they were going to throw him in jail or something. They found a DUI road side supension on him that was over 20 years old. He was never charged with an offense, the cops just towed his vehicle and that was the end of it back then but it got into the system. So they really put him through the grinder at Canada Immigration.

I was shocked when they phoned me - answered the phone and this lady says "this is so-and-so from Canada Immigration" and right away I thought it had something to do with my old job at Immigrant Services - but didnt expect this !!!! My brother didnt even know they had phoned, until I told him just now when he called from the ferry. I've been thinking "what if I hadnt been at home" would they have turned him back?

Another guy was being interrogated at the same time, reckless driving charge ten years ago and he was turned back and refused admittance into Canada. He was told for a fee of $200.00 he could send for records to show he was "rehabilitated".

WOW - seems a little extreme to me.

Anyhow my brother said it was trying to get through Check Point Charlie. He was pretty shaken up by the way he was treated, he also said the line up going the other way - into the US - was a mile long.

As far as I know my brother has always been Republican but he is pretty pissed at Bush - even before this border drill. In his opinion Bush has gone too damn far and is getting nowhere, just terrorizing innocent people. Its going to be real interesting talking to him this weekend about stuff --


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Smith
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posted 08 December 2002 03:17 AM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm. A friend of mine experienced something similar going the other way. I'll give you a quote with some parts excised.

quote:

Location: US Customs, Calais, ME; 3:30 p.m.

After we pull into the yard, two officers board the bus to interrogate...er...question the passengers about their vital stats. One starts in front, one in back, and they meet at Bill and I in the middle, at the exact same moment. Because we say we’re together, they only listen to Bill’s story. I feel cheated.

Officer glares at visa and my state ID as if trying to see where I glued it together. Announces that he has never heard of such a town as Steep Falls. I restrain urge to reply that a passing acquaintance with an atlas would clear that right up. Finally leaves, so we can progress to the next stage of customs: baggage check. One by one, passengers are herded off bus to have belongings rifled through. Did not recall process as being quite so thorough, since last time. Fortunately, my bag checker is quite nice, and amusing, and from (of all places) Portland, near where I live. He’s pretty damn meticulous, but v. polite about it. I mean, he hasn’t even forgotten how to smile yet or anything. He was tres cute, too, and I would have photographed him, too, but customs officials are not so good about such things.

He (I think the name on his shirt might have been Ruddall or something) gets points for:
• asking about, but not being antsy about, my pills and eyedrops;
• not freaking out when I pointed out he almost forgot to check my backpack, or when I made poorly considered jokes about “sneaking things through;”
• asking about knives in my bag only because he didn’t want to cut himself; and
• having enough of a clue that he didn’t even ask about my vibrator, much less require me to whip it out for a full demo right there.

Unfortunately, the rest of our company did not fare so well. Bill and I escaped much hassle, because we’re white, not getting married, speak fluent English, and I, at least, am an American. The rest of our fellow passengers, however, certainly did not fit the last point of that list, and managed to hit one or more of the others, as well. Rude Seat Tilter doesn’t speak good English, so they got sharp and rude, and nearly tore her bag apart while searching. Nearly everybody had to go see Immigration. The woman in front of me, en route to her wedding in California, was actually denied entrance into the country because she didn’t have some retarded scrap of paperwork.

Am stuck on the most problematic bus ever to wheel across border. Can only pray that this is not comparable to most experiences, or else will end up crying for what country has become.

Even if I did luck out at the border, it sucks to see everyone else treated like so. Just because I was armed with all the tools to crack this mother open from the start does not make this treatment of innocent people acceptable. No wonder someone wanted to blow us up, looking at this arrogance and disrespect.

God Bless America. Honey, I’m home.


And another story about going through Calais. (Scroll down past two pictures...)

[ December 08, 2002: Message edited by: Smith ]


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Kindred
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posted 08 December 2002 03:46 AM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow - my brother said he isnt going to be travelling anymore until this bullshit blows over. We figure the delay after calling me, it was another hour before he got out of there was that they ran me through the computer as well. I know I have 64 "public assists" on the RCMP files, dont know what else they could have on me. I guess I passed though because they let him in.

This is scary sh*t - I would probably get mad and start fighting with them if I went through that crap so I better not try to cross the border.

He told me that The US has the right and the power now to shoot Americans in other countries on sight if they feel they are conversing or interacting with what are thought to be, or perceived to be "undesirables". I havent heard this officially or read it anywhere. He is pretty freaked at all of this.

He has always been a pretty staunch republican and I was surprised to hear him saying the things he was tonight about the political prisoners being held without due process, and how Bush has gone too far and isnt getting anywhere anyhow in this stupid war on terrorism.

In fact I was very gratified to hear it.

This is a guy who worked for the CIA and he was intimidated at the border, my God ! What about us ordinary citizens who's worst experience is flirting out way out of a speeding ticket?

I guess you cant pull the "dumb blonde" routine at the border anymore to get out of filling out those damn forms -

This spring a bus full of 13 and 14 year old girls from SK going to play a basketball tournament (which they had paid a 2500.00 entry fee to, raised by the girls) was turned back because they didnt have picture IDs. They all had birth certificates with them, and letters from parents etc. I mean get real, 13 and 14 year old girl terrorists? A BUS LOAD of them? They were planning to sue to get their entry fee back. Never did hear how that went.


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posted 08 December 2002 08:41 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, really puts my beer smuggling excursions to the San Juan Islands into perspective.
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posted 09 December 2002 06:58 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. This BS with the border since Sept 11th has put a total damper on any plans of mine to head south any time soon, which is a real pity since I'd love to give my Crown Vic a workout on American highways.

A friend of mine's gonna be coming up soon. I hope he doesn't get hassled for anything.


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Cougyr
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posted 09 December 2002 07:52 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I crossed borders into 19 countries and my worst experiences have all been going into the US. This is not new. The US seems to train their border guards to be as rude as possible. I avoid the US as much as possible.

Anybody know if it's possible to fly from Canada to Mexico non-stop?


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DrConway
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posted 09 December 2002 07:56 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
US Customs guards?

WHEREYAGOING?!

GOTANYALC'HOLFAHRARMSERTUBACCO?!

PURPOSEOFYERTRIP!?

WHATSTHUHNAMEOFTHEPERSONYERVISITING?!

HOWD'YOUKNOWTHISPERSON?!

*Shines flashlight all over inside of car*

ALLRIGHTFAHNHAVEANAHSDAY!

(and you drive away, breathing a sigh of relief)


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SamL
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posted 09 December 2002 10:30 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh no, the Customs guards are nice, it's immigration who (in my experience) are the orifices.
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Kindred
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posted 09 December 2002 11:49 PM      Profile for Kindred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dont really mind Customs though I once had a security guard try to steal a lighter from me that was a metal dolphin.

The other guard made her put it back - she insisted I couldnt carry it on the plane and had to give it to her, the other guard said "then she can put it in her bag and check that through, now give it back". The woman was a petty thief in my opinion.

I dont mind the dogs in customs, they are okay - no bad attitude there, they have a job, they do it.

Immigration is what sucks right now. I am wondering how many real undesirables got through while they were shaking down these guys?

They even took away cell phones while they were interrogating them and told them they were not allowed to make any calls.

My brother went out to the car to get my phone number for them and was told to leave his cell phone behind. Clearly so he couldnt call me but that makes NO sense at all. I assumed they phoned to see if he had given a false phone number, so what did they think he was going to do? Phone up the person with the false number and say "Listen if immigration phones tell them you know me"? Weird shit in my opinion.


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Jingles
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posted 10 December 2002 12:25 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scary.

The most unnerving thing about getting stopped at the border is having to wait in the office and see those pictures of GW and Big Dick staring, staring, staring, at me with their cold, dead eyes.

And this was before 911


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posted 10 December 2002 01:52 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, we all knew border dudes were frustrated dick heads. In this new post 9/11 world, their dickheadedness has full government approval.
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posted 10 December 2002 02:22 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A decade or so ago we moved back to BC from Toronto and cut through the Northern states during Desert Storm. With a pick-up filled so full that our headlights shone up into the sky, we pulled into Sarnia. The guard looked at our truck asked us where we were going and his only question was "got any guns". My how time has changed.
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posted 14 December 2002 09:04 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Many years ago, we took my mother-in-law to Hawaii. The US border guard grilled the 70+ year old woman for over half an hour. It was like they had never seen a British passport before. Does the US profile old women? What kind of threat is a little old grandmother?
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posted 14 December 2002 09:14 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who are these guys, generally, and how well are they trained/paid?

I can understand that they need to be thorough, but there's a difference between "thorough" and "dickhead."


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posted 14 December 2002 09:45 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They get their attitude problem because US Customs starts all new recruits down on the southern borders of the US, where the Mexican "problem" is right there, and they're in an atmosphere of mild paranoia all the damn time because of the illegal immigrants and whatnot.

By the time they get older, they're moved up to the Canadian border where it's about as dangerous as a humble grass stalk, but they've been introduced to the mindset of "every potential visitor is possibly here to do harm", and this was so even before September 11, 2001.


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