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fuslim
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posted 21 October 2004 04:41 PM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/041021/w102118.html

Report says consumption of resources outstripping planet's ability to cope.

...Consumption of fossil fuels such as coal, gas and oil increased by almost 700 per cent between 1961 and 2001, the conservation body said (World Wide Fund for Nature)...

...The (ecological) footprint of an average North American is double that of a European but seven times that of the average Asian or African...

The report warned of increasing pressure on the planet's resources amid spiralling consumption in Asia.

The report points out that:

...The "ecological footprint" - or environmental impact - of the planet's 6.1 billion-strong population is alarming, with people in the West the worst culprits".


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posted 21 October 2004 05:40 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Speech by George Monbiot about the difficulties of being an environmental journalist. [Long article, looks good, I didn't read it all yet.]

He mentions Bjorn Lomborg, who also shows up in a Guardian article about economists arguing climate change is not so important:

quote:
Climate change, predicted by the UN to change the way most people live over the next 100 years, is the least important of the world's immediate problems, says a group of economists, including three Nobel prize winners, who were asked to prioritise how money should be spent on helping the world's poor.
The team of six American and two other economists, brought together by controversial environmentalist Bjorn Lomborg, said it was not worth spending money on climate change because the effects were expected to be far in the future. They recommended that people became rich first and that money should be spent on HIV/Aids, water and free trade.

The Guardian also has green groups' view.

What's the old sports analogy; you can't tell who the players are without a scorecard?

[ 21 October 2004: Message edited by: Contrarian ]


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posted 22 October 2004 09:40 AM      Profile for dnuttall     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just received the newsletter from Redefining Progress on this topic. This is the site.
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posted 22 October 2004 02:12 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A few greens are arguing there is not time to go solar, so we must go nuclear Independent story
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posted 22 October 2004 03:40 PM      Profile for dnuttall     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nuclear is fine, if you have a way of disposing of the wastes. The trouble is, there is no good way of estimating the period of time that you will be able to contain them. Yucca Mountain claims 'long enough', but it's based on faulty assumptions (ie no evidence of groundwater movement in last 10000 yrs - wrong).

I don't hate nukes, but it's not better than consuming less. Efficiency is the best form of energy.


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posted 22 October 2004 05:23 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't you need water to make nuclear fuel?
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fuslim
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posted 22 October 2004 05:37 PM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What's the old sports analogy; you can't tell who the players are without a scorecard?

However, you tell the difference between players and spectators.

When economists comment on environmental issues, they are definitely reaching beyond thier expertise.

And Bjorn Lomborg doesn't have any expertise except sucking up to capital.


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