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Mandos
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posted 06 November 2002 11:24 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My bank now charges me 1.25 for every withdrawal from an ATM not theirs. Or is this the bank that owns the ATM? It's a big bank. I feel robbed, I used to get two free transactions a month.
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meades
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posted 06 November 2002 11:31 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All the same, two free transactions a month is nothing.
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Terry J
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posted 06 November 2002 11:56 PM      Profile for Terry J     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some of the little bank machines located in small stores charge $3 for every transaction. Some banks and credit unions have a plan where you pay a fee and get so many withdrawals from a bank machine. Still it's another way for the banks to gouge the customer. My brother was in on the first wave of bank cards and part of the agreement he signed was that there would be no fees for bank card use. He is holding the banks to that agreement.

One of my kids was unknowingly spending over $60.00 in bank fees-mainly through interac. She went on a plan and the fees dropped to about $8 a month. She doesn't like to carry cash. Me I just take out what I anticipate I need when I make a deposit. I don't like giving banks a cent more than I have to.


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DrConway
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posted 07 November 2002 12:37 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one good thing about my President's Choice Financial bank card is that I have unlimited withdrawals from any CIBC bank machine and direct debit (using the EFT at POS) is also no-charge whatsoever.

Then again, I really should use a credit union.


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Terry J
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posted 07 November 2002 12:47 AM      Profile for Terry J     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't know President's Choice had a bank card. Learn something new every time I come to babble. Do you get it at Superstore?

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Timebandit
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posted 07 November 2002 01:24 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We have a plan where we don't pay for POS transactions or to withdraw from our own bank's machines.

I have another account at a credit union, but they don't offer that kind of plan, nor do they have many ATMs... Much fewer than other banks.

I like interac because I can download my transactions into Quickbooks and keep a closer eye on the budget. We try not to carry much cash because it's too easy to spend frivolously. You have to think more about using the card.


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TommyPaineatWork
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posted 07 November 2002 01:29 AM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did I read it here, or did I hear it on the radio?

Anyway, someone is asking people to boycott the independant cash machines, pointing to gouging as the reason.

I think I pay a set fee at my bank. Maybe the cost is rolled in....I should really pay more attention. I hate financial stuff, and tend to ignore it if given half the chance.

Banks sell the fees charged based on the cost of running the ATM system.

I find this a more than a little questionable, since interac has allowed banks to close branches and reduce the number of tellers employed.

But then they're banks, and we owe them a profit.


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DrConway
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posted 07 November 2002 01:55 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Terry J: Hotcha. Just whip down to the nearest Superstore and sign up. They will want your latest pay stub and particulars. I think they cherry-pick people who have relatively stable employment and decent credit.

It's not required to get overdraft, but if you want it they will run a credit check.

Finally, take note: At first you will be subject to some ridiculous hold periods. I was initially subject to $100 max, 9 days later the rest of any deposit would become available. I called and said "that's just not acceptable." Couple weeks later they dropped the hold period to 5 days and upped the limit to $200. Since then it's gone up in a stagewise manner until finally it's been $500 and like 4 days for the longest time. I almost never worry about the holds now.

They've also been grudgingly giving me overdraft, but it's a real tooth-and-nail fight to get them to increase the limit.

The one main dislike I have is that their debit cards are not keyed to work with the Plus system in the United States.


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Arch Stanton
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posted 07 November 2002 02:06 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My Credit Union doesn't charge any transaction fees, unless I use a bank's ATM machine, which costs $1.50 per transaction.

I forget what cash looks like.


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Timebandit
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posted 07 November 2002 02:25 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not for POS transactions, Arch? Sherwood does, last I checked, but maybe they've changed their policies... I should look into it.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 07 November 2002 02:53 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
POS?

Is there a Teachers' CU down there?


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Timebandit
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posted 07 November 2002 03:05 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Point of sale transactions. At the cash register. Some banks will give you so many for a set fee and then charge .25 a transaction. At the bank we're using now, we get unlimited transactions. They've tried to change it on us twice now, but we kicked up a stink and are on a plan they don't advertise.

There is a teacher's credit union in town, but not being a teacher, I never considered it.


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Terry J
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posted 07 November 2002 03:36 AM      Profile for Terry J     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the info Doc. It sounds complicated. Nine days for a hold is outrageous. Some people aren't aware that you can negotiate with financial institutes. When I've gone in for a loan I tell them right away that I'm shopping for the best deal. Puts the ball right back in their court and it could be my imagination but they don't seem quite as condescending.
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DrConway
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posted 07 November 2002 04:20 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem with PCF is that their staff are generally poorly trained in anything complex, because most inquiries probably revolve around setting up passwords for phone banking or routine things like replacing debit cards, etc.

One time some slimebag got my checkbook and cut himself a check out of it, and I didn't know until it was too late to stop payment, and I had three different stories from three different people until I finally found out the proper process that PCF had for swearing out the affidavit saying that I had had a check fraudulently drawn against my account.

Another time they dinged me $20 on a refund of a money order that they screwed up because my address wasn't right in their records. I called up and raised a fuss and they put the money back.


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Michelle
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posted 07 November 2002 11:37 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm seriously considering closing my old bank accounts and opening a new one at the bank of mattress.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 07 November 2002 12:54 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
There is a teacher's credit union in town, but not being a teacher, I never considered it.

I'm not a teacher either, but I live a block away from the CU, so go there. POS - still no charge.


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Lima Bean
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posted 07 November 2002 02:41 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm on one of those flat rate-set number of transactions per month plans, but I generally try to make the fewest number of transactions possible. I take out cash and carry it for almost everything I want to buy.

I don't like that the bank knows where I spend my money otherwise, and more and more, I don't trust that they keep that info to themselves.

But I'm generally pretty suspicious when it comes to banks.


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 07 November 2002 03:43 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I find this a more than a little questionable, since interac has allowed banks to close branches and reduce the number of tellers employed.

Banks have intentionally in the last couple of years scaled back the number of bank machines in their system. After preaching the convenience of banking with a card, (in many cass you even have to have a card to bank at a branch) they have made people dependent on machines (and charged them a fee for doing so)> The fees of course have been increasing steadily. With the recently introduced fees for interac, they now are gouging a largely unsuspecting populace. Many people now make 5 or more interac transactions everyday, Imagine that at $1.50 per swipe.

quote:
Anyway, someone is asking people to boycott the independant cash machines, pointing to gouging as the reason.

And who runs Ontario's largest system of independent bank machines? An ex-vp of one of the big banks (I'll have to confirm who, it was an story in the Golbe and Mail around May). These machines, which typically add on a fee up to $3 per transaction, are simple money making devices, plus they do less than most back run machines (meaning you can't pay bills, make tranfers between accounts, etc.).

Another example, at Pearson airport, why did the Royal Bank remove all of their machines, including lucrative foreign exchange machines that typically gross a fee of $5.00 per transaction. This was a sure money making location if there ever was one. Because the company that operates the Wells-Fargo machines could make even more, and pay a fee to the Royal for the rights. The Royal makes money essentially renting out their space.

Interac and bank machines are in some ways legalized theft.


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 07 November 2002 03:48 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reading my last post I just realized my typing is terrible, as is my spelling. Yikes.
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Amy
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posted 07 November 2002 04:39 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i just got a bank account at the beginning of the summer, and i am so annoyed with it... i had to get a bank account because i live part time in victoria, part time in castlegar, and it costs money to do inter-credit union deposits... anyways... last month i got about 15.00$ in user fees because the university puts bank machines from only two banks in exchange for money (i hate the whole corportate sponsorship thing here) ... so, my bank charges me 1.50 and the bank machine charges me 1.25, the other thing that i'm wanting to rant about is that my credit union account i can use my interac card as much as i wanted, but at montreal, i only have 15 per month... stupid banks... i'm glad that other people are annoyed with this kind of stuff too.
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Pat
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posted 07 November 2002 08:34 PM      Profile for Pat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I limit my use of banking machines mostly because I'm opposed to their fees. Also I'm opposed to the abundance of electronic surveillance we are subjected to constantly. I heard a quote that it is estimated that when travelling around a typical city you are photographed an average of once every 5 minutes. I heard a lawyer once warning people about the preponderance of electronic surveillance because it is often used as evidence against people.

A few years back when Safeway was on strike, the people who shopped during the strike and used their Safeway cards were "treated" to discounts from Safeway.


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posted 08 November 2002 12:34 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was a move a few years ago to set up a national credit union to deal with issues like mobility and economies of scale. Held up waiting for changes in federal legislation and the working group of about 7-10 credit unions fell apart. BC is merging quickly into a few very large Credit Unions - the number left is 2/3's what it was 5 years ago.

Too bad because I bank at two Coast Capital (2nd biggest in Canada) and Chemainus and District and would never go to a bank. We just got a statement from the Chemainus and District and there was one entry with the comment "Found at Thrift Store - deposit $60". Apparently, the $60 I lost and thought had fallen out while walking around town was turned in to the Credit Union (the withdrawl slip accompanied it) and credited to our account. The annual general meeting is an all ages dinner and dance. When I asked for a mortgage Debra gave me initial approval on my name alone.

Coast Capital has no charge interac with a deposit total $5000 (includes RRSP's - almost justifies the RRSP loan in itself). Point of sale transactions are only free for the first 5, but I can see this because there are real costs that the institution must pay and I think people should realize that buying something for under $10 using an interac card is not yet viable with current technology.

Did anyone else hear the report on CBC radio about interac machines and that the "no name" white machines can charge basically whatever the market will bear? Apparently, one in a bar outside an army base has a fee of $10.50 per transaction.

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posted 25 November 2002 01:13 PM      Profile for Spikey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I recently switched to VanCity Credit Union and I don't think I'll ever go back to a bank. Why give your money to them, when instead I can give it to (or leave it with) an organization that gives 30% of their profits back to the Vancouver community? I feel so much better about where my money is now.

There's also Citizens Bank of Canada, an online credit union some of you might want to check out. You can use any Exchange bank machine without charge, I believe.


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