posted 19 September 2008 04:50 PM
I went to the debate last night. No change. The fringe parties offering nothing as well as Theresa Rodrigues of the Conservatives. It was between Mario Silva and Peter Ferriera Sorry if I spelled his last name wrong. Mario was taking the high road by highlighting the Conservatives mismanagement as government while Peter(Who by the way lives out of riding and is a former Liberal) was taking cheap pot shots at Mario. Mario has done great work for the people of Davenport espcially for those who were on the verge of being deported. Now there was a gentleman at the debate who was upset at Mario for not helping keep his family in Canada. Mario has offered to help this gentleman. I call that commitment. Mario will be re-elected hands down.
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posted 19 September 2008 05:35 PM
I don't think the NDP will be taking Davenport, though with Dion's lacklustre leadership I wouldn't completely rule it out either. If the Liberals do lose it though, it will be as big a humiliation as the Outremont byelection as the Libs have held Davenport forever.
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posted 19 September 2008 05:47 PM
Ah, Liberaler, I've missed you! How long has it been? When was the last election?
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posted 19 September 2008 05:49 PM
Is it that big of a deal to live outside a riding in Canada, Librealer? I was under the impression that, as in the UK, a candidate could stand in a particular constituency and then move there if elected.
And I'm pretty sure a lot of Liberals have been parachuted into ridings where THEY don't live either.
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posted 19 September 2008 06:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ken Burch: And I'm pretty sure a lot of Liberals have been parachuted into ridings where THEY don't live either.
For example, I could be wrong, but I rather doubt that Paul Martin lived in the rather working-class riding of LaSalle-Émard.
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posted 19 September 2008 08:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Ken Burch: And I'm pretty sure a lot of Liberals have been parachuted into ridings where THEY don't live either.
Neither Ignatieff or Dryden live in their ridings.
posted 20 September 2008 03:49 AM
And the most famous liberal before he became a cabinet minister in Harper's govt also did not live in his riding of Kingsway. You know David Emerson.
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posted 25 September 2008 02:07 PM
Regardless of whether he lives in the riding or not. The bigger question is: How can someone that has made millions off of "consulting" immigrants on how to stay in Canada claim to be an "advocate for immigrants."
Ferreira is an immigration consultant who has made his fortune by charging hard-working immigrants thousands of dollars for a job Mario Silva's office, as a constituency office does for free?!
Also, the fact that he doesn't live here is important. How can he speak about the issues facing his community if he doesn't even live in it. He claims his business is in Davenport, but I checked and it's actually in Parkdale-High-Park! The man doesn't even know the riding he's running in.
Silva is without a doubt the better candidate. He has far exceeded expectations and has a proven track-record of effective representation of our community in Ottawa and has quickly risen among Liberal ranks. It's an easy battle for him. Especially given his lame opposition.
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posted 25 September 2008 02:28 PM
I hate to deverge from my partisan self but I am against people running in ridings they do not live in. I think if we cannot find a candidate in a riding it would be because there is no riding association to speak of and certainly no political will for one to be there. I sencerly wish that each and every riding have at least a small dedicated amount of riding associations for all parties in their constituancy but realities rarely speak to this.
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posted 25 September 2008 02:36 PM
quote:I hate to deverge from my partisan self but I am against people running in ridings they do not live in
Okay I don't have a problem with that but how do you reconcile the fact that Jack and Olivia are a couple who presumably live in the same house so one of them would have to run in a ridings that they don't live in.
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posted 25 September 2008 06:40 PM
No riding association in Davenport? I'm not involved in the NDP at all, but I think you might be mistaken about that one. The year I moved to Toronto, I joined the NDP and I voted in a nomination meeting. A huge number of people showed up to that nomination meeting, five people ran for it, and it was organized by the riding association.
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posted 25 September 2008 10:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by enemy_of_capital: I hate to deverge from my partisan self but I am against people running in ridings they do not live in. I think if we cannot find a candidate in a riding it would be because there is no riding association to speak of and certainly no political will for one to be there. I sencerly wish that each and every riding have at least a small dedicated amount of riding associations for all parties in their constituancy but realities rarely speak to this.
And I completely agree with enemy_of_capital. Hi buddy, got your email. thanks, I'll post back soon.
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posted 25 September 2008 10:32 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gritter: Ferreira is an immigration consultant who has made his fortune by charging hard-working immigrants thousands of dollars for a job Mario Silva's office, as a constituency office does for free?!
One could turn that around to say that is Mario Silva and his office were doing their job, nobody would need to hire Peter Ferreira.
posted 26 September 2008 03:06 AM
Just a note about the overall race in Davenport.
In 2004 my house got visits from both Mario SIlva and Rui Pires by this point in the campaign. Between the two contending parties we received five mailbox drops before the debates. This election, no visits, no pamphlets.
This year it's been a lackluster campaign. I strongly suspect the Liberals and NDP here are just going through the motions because everybody knows who is going to finish first and who is going to finish second.
The only race here is for third place. The Greens, bouyed by their third place finish in the last provincial election (third place is a big deal for the Greens)are running a more spirited campaign than usual to pass Conservative Theresa Rodrigues for the "bronze medal". Outside of that, this year's contest here seems more boring than usual and the "race" in Davenport has often been very boring indeed.
You can also argue that with the CAP candidate running as an independent (the CAP couldn't get their act together for poor Wendy Forrest), the Communists and CPCML splitting the red vote, and the first ever outing by the AAEV in Davenport, that the race for last place will also be pretty heated.
posted 26 September 2008 03:16 AM
Yeah, it does seem like kind of a dead campaign so far, doesn't it? So far, I've had one mailbox drop from Ferreira and Silva. But I haven't seen all that many signs, although a few are out. I'm kind of surprised - I figured with the huge cut into Liberal votes in the provincial election that there would be a lot more visible campaigning by now.
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posted 26 September 2008 07:15 AM
I've seen a lot of Silva signs in my neck of the riding. Interesting to me is that a lot of businesses along St. Clair sport NDP signs - it's the only brand of sign that I've seen on businesses there too. I have only received Silva material in the mail. I talked to Mr. Silva when i was out walking with my kid and he told me that the NDP and Conservative live in Mississauga. Out of riding is one thing when you live in T.O but living in a different city is different.
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posted 26 September 2008 07:29 AM
Yeah, I didn't realize until recently that Ferreira actually LIVES in Mississauga. I thought he ran there at one point or something.
I'll probably vote for him anyhow, but I'm also not crazy about someone who lives in Mississauga representing our riding. It's one thing if someone from another downtown riding were to run in ours. But Mississauga is totally, totally different from downtown Toronto.
Mississauga is, like, this huge sprawling strip mall and big box store suburb as far as the eye can see. Their "downtown" is a mall. That gives me pause too.
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posted 26 September 2008 08:13 AM
People are not paid to be candidates. I am amazed at the level of expectation people have for candidates who have little or no chance of winning. 1) It is going to take a lot of your time. 2) Your going to lose and get no compensation. 3) It will invade your personal life and that of your family. 4) And your going to lose and get no compensation. 5) You have to learn party policy across the full range of issues, not just your hobby horse. 6) And your going to lose and get no compensation. 7) You are going to have to adopt party lines and principles even if they contradict your personal lines and principles. 8) And your going to lose and get no compensation. Moreover people are going to remember you as 'the loser'.
I have the upmost respect for candidates who are willing to be sacraficial lambs regardless of the party they represent.
Attracting quality candidates when the predicted outcome is poor is one of the biggest problems with FPTP. What happens if there is a major shift in support?
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posted 26 September 2008 08:29 AM
I don't see what the big deal is about running in a riding you don't live in. It has been happening for years and years and years. Most of these candidates have some stake or connection to the riding, unless they are Elizabeth May of course.
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posted 26 September 2008 08:44 AM
I don't have a huge problem with it if they live nearby. But Mississauga is pretty much another world when it comes to the issues that affect people there, and the issues that affect people in our inner city riding.
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posted 26 September 2008 08:49 AM
I guess it is a matter of perspective- to someone like me it is all 'the city' , but I will take your word for it that the issues are substantively different.
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posted 26 September 2008 04:26 PM
quote:Originally posted by Michelle: Yeah, I didn't realize until recently that Ferreira actually LIVES in Mississauga. I thought he ran there at one point or something.
He was a school trustee in Peel. And, I believe, an "ex-Liberal". Which might either be a plus or a minus, depending on how you look at it.
posted 11 October 2008 07:17 AM
I'm not going to say that Davenport is the most boring riding in Canada. On the other hand I can see Trinity-Spadina from my window and Parkdale-High park is a pleasant walk from my front door. Yet here I am stuck in a riding so boring I can predict the order of finish of all eight candidates.
1. Mario Silva (Liberal). O.K. Liberaler I concede. This riding has been LIberal for 46 years now. But wait till 2024.
2. Peter Ferreira (NDP). It's not like living inside or outside the riding matters much. The NDP is guaranteed second place. No more, no less.
3. Wayne Scott (Green). The Greens have been running the most upbeat campaign this time out. Voters in Davenport are voting Green just to show their contempt for the fourth place party.
4. Theresa Rodrigues (CON). The only reason Rodrigues keeps running is she still has leftover signs from 2004.
5. Miguel Figueroa (CPC) The status of being the national leader of a well known party will be good for nearly 200 votes.
6. Simon Luisi (AAEV). This is the first campaign for the AAEV in Davenport. They'd do much better if they had a better acronym. They'd be contending if pets could vote.
7. Wendy Forrest (formerly CAP, now independent). Wendy has several signs up, but that's because she sells real estate. Wendy wins full marks for honesty as all her signs say "For Sale, Wendy Forrest."
8. Sarah Thompson (CPCML). Ms. Thompson will once again finish last in Davenport. Poor Sarah is a victim of vote splitting with Miguel Figueroa. Sarah's only hope for seventh vanished when Wendy Forrest ran as an independent and not for the Conspiracy Anguish Party.
I look at the polls and I have no idea what's going to happen on election day. But I am in sleepy little Davenport and the results here are all to predictable.
Hey Liberaler, want to make a bet on my predictions? Yeah, I didn't think so.
posted 11 October 2008 07:24 AM
You never know, the NDP came quite close to winning Davenport in the provincial election last year and Layton is a much more popular leader than Hampton and Dion is a major drag on the Liberals in a way that McGuinty was not. With the megatrend of Liberals way down in Ontario and NDP up - an upset is conceivable.
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posted 11 October 2008 07:48 AM
quote:Originally posted by Stockholm: You never know, the NDP came quite close to winning Davenport in the provincial election last year and Layton is a much more popular leader than Hampton and Dion is a major drag on the Liberals in a way that McGuinty was not. With the megatrend of Liberals way down in Ontario and NDP up - an upset is conceivable.
Especially with the numbers in today's Toronto Star for the 416: Liberals 41%, down from 51% there in 2006. The NDP have risen from 21% to 29%, the Tories are in third with 24%, and the Greens picked up the other 2%, rising to 6%. Lucky Toronto: vote with your heart.
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posted 11 October 2008 10:44 AM
The Liberals have held Davenport forever. Losing it to the NDP would be as humiliating as their defeat in Outremont.
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posted 11 October 2008 10:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lord Palmerston: The Liberals have held Davenport forever. Losing it to the NDP would be as humiliating as their defeat in Outremont.
quote:Originally posted by Stockholm: You never know, the NDP came quite close to winning Davenport in the provincial election last year and Layton is a much more popular leader than Hampton and Dion is a major drag on the Liberals in a way that McGuinty was not. With the megatrend of Liberals way down in Ontario and NDP up - an upset is conceivable.
But then there was the Tony Ruprecht in Cuba factor as well.
If we assume the Liberal vote will have to be lower than the last provincial election in Toronto, I think that would mean Eglinton-Lawrence is going Tory.
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quote:Originally posted by Mel Skiller: 8. Sarah Thompson (CPCML).
The Communist Party of Canada - Marxist Leninist (formerly toadies of Tirana) has been known officially as the Marxist Leninist Party of Canada since at least the late 1970s due to Elections Canada ruling that their original name was inclined to create confusion with the Communist Party of Canada (formerly toadies of Moscow).
The Canadian Communist League - Marxist Leninist (formerly toadies of Beijing - who were spelling it Beijing even when the rest of us were still calling it Peking) morphed into the Workers Communist Party around the same time for the same reason.
The Revolutionary Cadre In Struggle! (who suffered the indignity of having no one prepared to let them be toadies) never ran for anything - though Andy Shadrack later became a quasi-leading Green.
If anyone can tell me why it is I can still keep all the tiny Communist splinter groups straight, please let me know.
And for your further edification:
(Trivia bit - as though the foregoing weren't trivial enough: The actress who played Judith is now the Lady Mayor of a town in Wales. Ironically, the community banned Life of Brian at the time it was released - for blasphemy - and the ban has never been rescinded.)
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posted 12 October 2008 03:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by Lord Palmerston: If we assume the Liberal vote will have to be lower than the last provincial election in Toronto, I think that would mean Eglinton-Lawrence is going Tory.
If we're talking about a 10-point Lib-Tory gap in the 416, the latter's not out of the realm of possibility, you know.
posted 12 October 2008 06:12 AM
There were two factors that made Eglinton-Lawrence close in the provincial election that are absent this time.
The Liberal MPP Mike Colle was involved in a corruption (I know, I know Joe Volpe has too but it was not as recent).
This is the one riding in Ontario with a large ORTHODOX Jewish population and so I think the provincially Tories got a lot more votes in this one instance because they were promising religious school funding. In the federal election, there have been no issues at all that would have that kind of an impact there.
posted 14 October 2008 08:06 PM
Mario Silva has held Davenport.
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posted 19 September 2008 04:50 PM
, but I will take your word for it that the issues are substantively different.
