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cmkl
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posted 21 December 2004 03:29 PM      Profile for cmkl   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Please help push for a publicly-funded, non-profit child care program in Canada. Visit www.buildchildcare.ca's action page and send a letter to Ken Dryden and his provincial counterparts.
cmkl

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Traci
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posted 21 December 2004 06:18 PM      Profile for Traci     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How much is this going to cost.

The Gun registry was supose to only cost 1 or 2 million.It's now over a Billon dollars last count.

This National Child Care program would be nice if we could trust these Liberals to manage it properly.
How much more will we have to pay in taxes to support this?
Would it not be better to put the money into fixing our Health Care crises and then look at National Child Care later on.


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Mazie
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posted 21 December 2004 06:25 PM      Profile for Mazie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Any chance we could have a look at how Quebec does it and work from there? It would at least be a starting point for discussion. And, it may well be, that they have worked out some of the problems. They may even have a handle on how to do the funding?
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Traci
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posted 21 December 2004 08:03 PM      Profile for Traci     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Without our funding would Quebec have such a subsidized daycare program.

It's becoming quite clear by the last election that Quebec will finally get the separation they've always wanted.So when they do separate, can they afford the costs of this program.
And let's not forget Quebecs purpose under the separatists regime was to increase the birth rate of French pure Francophone babies by reducing the costs to the parents with this subsidy.This is a bigoted,racist,self preservationist regime.Are they justified in this behavior because of the meltdown of there culture ?


I as a young feminist do not intend to have children,should I have to support the many woman out there that wish to have 3/4/5/6 or even 7 children.
Some of the new emigrants coming to our country without any or little education feel it's there duty to have as many children as they can.With the influx of 250,000 new emigrants per year to Canada with many coming from countries where it's
a duty to have at least six children,it's not hard to see that this National Child Care program could reach staggering costs.

At what point does the costs of subsidies(taxes) bring down the ambitions of the countries youth.


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athena_dreaming
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posted 21 December 2004 08:42 PM      Profile for athena_dreaming   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, cmkl. I love the idea of the campaign, btw. It reminds me of an ad I saw when I was pg, that had a whole bunch of shots of "pregnant men" in typical moony pregnant woman poses--staring mistily out the window, walking briskly in a tracksuit, presenting to a meeting in a snazzy maternity suit, and so on. It was a riot.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 21 December 2004 09:01 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the spirit of the season and goodwill to others, I'm going to pretend Traci doesn't exist until New Year's.
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James
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posted 21 December 2004 09:41 PM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
thanks, R.B.; you just disuaded me from being really (but appropriately) nasty.
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bittersweet
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posted 21 December 2004 09:58 PM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As a young feminist who does not intend to have children, why should you support the public school system?

As a young feminist who does not intend to have children, why should you support a medical system that includes free care for babies and pregnant mothers?

As a young feminist who does not intend to have children, why should you support transit systems and recreation facilities that include discounts to children?

As a young feminist, is the reason you're against a National Child Care program because you think "some" immigrants will make it too expensive, or because you don't intend to have children and so believe you shouldn't have to share in the cost of public programs that include them?

As a young feminist, why should it be your duty to justify the accusation--which impacts women most of all--that "some" of the "new emigrants...feel it's there (sic) duty to have as many children as they can?"

As a young feminist, why should you justify the implication that "some" immigrants' purported lack of education is relevant to the cost of a national daycare program?

As a young feminist, why should you worry about blaming the "staggering costs" that a "National Child Care program "could" reach on "some" immigrants (again, mainly impacting women)?

As a young feminist, why don't you ask: "At what point does the cost of a subsidized (taxed) National Child Care program assist the ambitions of the country's youth (and the ambitions of their mothers)?"

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Anchoress
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posted 21 December 2004 10:00 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, bittersweet, you actually read her post... my eyes crusted over after the first 20 words or so. Thanks for posting, otherwise I'd have never known what she actually wrote lol.

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Hailey
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posted 21 December 2004 10:03 PM      Profile for Hailey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'll follow Reality Bites charitable reply and not comment on the poast.

Incidentally, thank you for not having children, Traci.


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posted 21 December 2004 10:39 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Traci:
The Gun registry was supose to only cost 1 or 2 million.It's now over a Billon dollars last count.

Well, besides Liberal incompetance, one of the big reasons for the cost overruns in the gun registry is that gun owners actively resisted registering. This lead the government to waive registration fees and also increased costs for advertising, etc.

I don't anticipate those problems with a national child care program, if they ever get around to delivering it. People are already lining up for quality, affordable child care.


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Hinterland
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posted 21 December 2004 10:54 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And let's not forget Quebecs purpose under the separatists regime was to increase the birth rate of French pure Francophone babies by reducing the costs to the parents with this subsidy.This is a bigoted,racist,self preservationist regime.Are they justified in this behavior because of the meltdown of there culture ?

Except, idiot Traci, the incentives applied to everyone in Québec, not just francophones. If Québec wanted to increase births as a social policy, so what? We did it before....and we'll do it again! French-Canadians will pump out babies like Pez dispensers on steroids. And since you anglos are so afraid of sex...Mwahahahaha!

Traci, turn around....Le BOO!


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CoolGal
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posted 21 December 2004 11:08 PM      Profile for CoolGal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There ya go cmkl.

I gave my opinion and the babble gave theres.


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Hinterland
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posted 21 December 2004 11:12 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've already written my MP about national day care. I also have socialised child care it in the constituency in which I live.
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CoolGal
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posted 21 December 2004 11:13 PM      Profile for CoolGal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL.

Don't be intimidated cmkl,we are sensitive to trolls here and over react sometimes.


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Traci
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posted 22 December 2004 12:06 AM      Profile for Traci     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Except, idiot Traci, the incentives applied to everyone in Québec, not just francophones. If Québec wanted to increase births as a social policy, so what? We did it before....and we'll do it again! French-Canadians will pump out babies like Pez dispensers on steroids. And since you anglos are so afraid of sex...Mwahahahaha!

Traci, turn around....Le BOO!


If Québec wanted to increase births as a social policy, so what?


AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The real TROLLS!!!!!!!!!!! Come out.


Thank You.


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ShyViolet
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posted 22 December 2004 12:13 AM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Traci:
I as a young feminist do not intend to have children,should I have to support the many woman out there that wish to have 3/4/5/6 or even 7 children.


i'm not feeling as nice as you, rb....

well, to paraphrase barbara kingsolver:
be careful what you give the child, for they will return it to you a thousandfold.

in other words, you give the kids crap, you will get crap in your old age. tell me traci, who will care for you in your old age? that's right..one of the kids you wouldn't pay to support. the future's doctors and teachers, policemen, lawyers..etc will come from today's kids. gyp them and you gyp yourself.

your selfishness will only bite you in the ass. hard.


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ShyViolet
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posted 22 December 2004 12:16 AM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hailey:
I'll follow Reality Bites charitable reply and not comment on the poast.

Incidentally, thank you for not having children, Traci.


hailey, that cracked me up!!

btw, i'm reading A Mother's Ordeal. i don't know if you remember or not, but you recommended it to me. it's quite good..thanks for suggesting it!!

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Traci
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posted 22 December 2004 12:17 AM      Profile for Traci     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is what really is the destruction of social policy.

Quebec hardliners who hate the english,Muslims who hate the West,gays who hate religion,woman who hate the white male,and disoriented youths who hate the system.

The question is: What happened to the Interest of others and a United society for the beeter good of humanity.


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arborman
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posted 31 December 2004 04:12 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Only person on this thread who is saying anything non-unified is you traci.

Doh. Posted. Was about to write a disseration, but just caught myself.

Traci - All I can recommend is that you take each of the assertions you have made, and ask yourself - 'Why do I hold this opinion?" If you have some objective evidence, by all means share it. If it is just what you heard from others in your social group (which I suspect holds very few feminists, but I don't want to assume), then you might start looking for more thoughtful explanations of the world you live in. I live in it too, and I just don't see the divisiveness and bigotry coming from anywhere but people like yourself.


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audra trower williams
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posted 31 December 2004 04:32 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Babble is Traci-free in 2003!

(2005, really, but that doesn't rhyme)


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