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agent007
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posted 15 May 2002 03:56 PM      Profile for agent007     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Could a Dell-type dude 'sell' the NDP?!
quote:
The marketing strategy is simple: A young guy will get people to buy.

From this CNN story.

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vickyinottawa
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posted 15 May 2002 03:58 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That's the problem....Adam Giambrone, our federal president (who looks a bit like the Dell guy, come to think of it), doesn't use the word "dude" often enough. I will raise this issue at the next federal council meeting, depend upon it!
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audra trower williams
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posted 15 May 2002 05:49 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hee! Adam's teeth are creepily white!

He's alright with me. He stayed over at my house this year, for a youth wing retreat.


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DrConway
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posted 15 May 2002 06:51 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And he's cuuuuuuuuuute, which helps.
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Arch Stanton
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posted 15 May 2002 09:01 PM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Could a Dell-type dude 'sell' the NDP?!
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I thought the NDP sold out years ago....


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vickyinottawa
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posted 16 May 2002 10:28 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Adam's teeth are creepily white!

so true!


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Dogbert
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posted 19 May 2002 11:14 AM      Profile for Dogbert     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mergers we don't want to see...
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mr_sparkle
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posted 23 May 2002 02:38 AM      Profile for mr_sparkle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Please..... at least on *this* message board, no more NDP! At hand, I still have the tape of the last provincial leadership debate, the one where the most frequent phrases the premier uttered were "Good point, Howard!" and "Spot on, Howard!" (Apologies to Conrad Black) as hampton pointedly attacked mcguinty, ignoring harris.

It seemed obvious to me that the NDP had decided to pass on that election, and instead do everything possible to make sure that the liberals *didn't* win, giving them a better chance in the next one.

The NDP are no better than the others.


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beproud2
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posted 24 May 2002 09:34 AM      Profile for beproud2        Edit/Delete Post
dude this is a pretty left wing msg board, if you don't want to hear about the NDP you shouldn't be here! You don't have to support them, which I don't but hey, they have some great views and ideas. its just getting them elected that will be impossible.
As far as selling the NDP they have to protray themselves much better then they do now. I don't think by saying "dude" the situatoin is going to get much better.

They have to shed the reputation of being outsiders and dreamers. With the rest of the political parties in Canada leaning the other way (right) as well as the big machine to the south on its rightwardly slant portraying the leftest views and policy as being "legitimate" will be a hard sell. However much we all love our healthcare I have trouble seeing how this is going to happen.

The right appeals to those who don't have to be really informed. The right appeals to the bottom line and the immidiate future. The left takes a bit more in depth look at things and to be blunt the general public is not informed enough and will not likely decide to inform themselves anytime soon.

Since I am generally not an NDP supporter I have a question to ask. The most prevelant NDP voters do they happen to be more educated in politics or do they tend to be across the board? It just seems to me that most people I know woh support NDP do so as they have taken time to konw the issues and dont' just look at the bottom line. This just happens to be NOT most of Canadians!

Just some thoughts. Some clarification is very welcome.


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Sine Ziegler
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posted 24 May 2002 03:45 PM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Beproud,

Are you one of those lefties who sits by idly until the NDP gets stronger and then decides to support them?

Without the overall left getting involved in a political party, namely the NDP, we will most DEFINITELY NOT win government.

I have repeatedly stressed that in order for a party to get a move on, and be shaped according to the current left, those people need to join the party and get involved. NOT at election time, and NOT when we are strong but all the time.


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oldgoat
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posted 24 May 2002 05:39 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think Mr Sparkle (can I call you Sparky?) raises a valid point. Obviously Howie is in the vote getting business, and if he's going to get them, it will be by chipping them away from the Liberals, and not the Tories, BUT... watching him get rolled by Harris (the smarmy bastard) like that just made me just a bit queasy.

[ May 24, 2002: Message edited by: oldgoat ]


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Boinker
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posted 25 May 2002 09:53 AM      Profile for Boinker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The problem I have with the electoral process is that I have no say on actual issues. If I bring up things like referenda and direct democracy the self serving logic of party politics seems to take precedence over political agendas.

The local riding association has been around for years but they do not really give out the vibe that input is wanted. Invariably all I am are ever asked to do is to stuff envelopes, put up signs, call people up and read preapred statements during election time.

I think the NDP is very good on the real issues at least in identifying them but they have been too accomodating to the political culture that insulates electoral politics and defines the realm of the possible.

In the last provincial election the Liberal won by a landslide, wiping out the NDP support as people rallied around his leftish pronouncements. But what was galling was a Tory candidate was parachuted in a few weeks before the campaign and doubled the NDP vote over a fairly credible candidate.

I think this type of thing is set to happen across the province and many others are.

On the other hand Marilyn Churley argued prior to Eves winning the leadership race (a number of us thought he would lose) that it would be better for NDPers if Eves won the leadership race since he would draw Liberal voters.

In many of the ridings where NDPers win it is because there is a strong Tory presence as well. If, the argument goes, the Tories had elected someone who was too right-wing the Liberals would win many of the few NDP ridings.

That does not seem to be the case now.

Eves is also promoting himself as more conciliatory and I think he is trying to give the impression of taking the "high road" . The idea is that if there is a minority government that the NDP will be able to win conciliations with Eves in the governament such as the cancellation of the sale of Hydro one, Bill 160, teacher recertification. These things would give the NDP a boost in the minds of the voting public and would weaken Liberal support which has steadily increased at NDP expense I think because of the negative perceptions of the Rae years.

The people of Ontario must certainly recognize that the Liberal party is not peopled with Gerrard Kennedys but with Dalton McGuintys and other right wing Liberls who would quickly drop the mantel of reformers once in power.

In retrospect guess the Eves backers are much more shrewd than I thought. Marilyn Churley is very astute and a nice person to boot!

Federal Politics

The NDP is all but invisible federally at least from where I sit. It would be nice to be able to attend a meeting to discuss what the NDP has been doing Federally but I think we have no representation from the Toronto area.

This is fairly amazing. A working class that spands the GTA and no socialists elected - is this reasonable to expect in a normal democratic world?.

[ May 25, 2002: Message edited by: Boinker ]


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beproud2
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posted 27 May 2002 11:49 AM      Profile for beproud2        Edit/Delete Post
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Beproud,
Are you one of those lefties who sits by idly until the NDP gets stronger and then decides to support them?

What is that saying about making assumptions? OR assuming things? Anyway...

Nah I am not even sure I would call myself a lefty, maybe left of center. The topic was about the NDP so I added what I thought was part of the problem.

As far as who I support well that is not set in stone altho the NDP is a consideration. But as been said many times by me, Alexa would have to go. I just don't see her as PM.

What I mentioned earlier seems to me to be the biggest obstacle for the NDP to overcome. How to make people look into the future when deciding who they should vote for. This may bring the NDP a few more votes.

RIght now the majority of canadians think about themselves, the near future and thier pocket book first. As long as something isn't happening to them at this particular momment in time then its not a concern to them. Many it seems lack the forsight to look ahead and see what may happen to them if things keep on as they are.


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Sine Ziegler
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posted 27 May 2002 05:29 PM      Profile for Sine Ziegler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thanks for the reponse Beproud2. I apologise for the offensive assumptions I have made.

I agree with you about leadership of teh party and with the upcoming NDP leadership ( and supposed leadership of nearly every other party save for the Alliance and BQ), hopefully a new vision in electoral politics will be forseen.


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