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jbgatkinkos
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posted 11 September 2007 04:17 PM      Profile for jbgatkinkos        Edit/Delete Post
This is the sixth anniversary of the senseless slaughter of civilian perpetrated on citizens of the United States, Great Britain, Canada and other countries, in the name of religious and political fanaticism, by rabid followers of a false G-d. The attacks came on a brilliantly clear day, and had the force and directness of a clean, harsh and hot wind from the Arabian deserts; our way of life could not stand, because of the softness, decadence and freedom it afforded. The West’s way of life, providing for material prosperity, relative freedom for all citizens, regardless of race or religion, and unfettered speech is not consistent with the needs of a religion based on submission by most of their citizens, and dhimmitude for “other peoples of the book”.

Death was mandated for people refusing to submit, and who had the temerity to assert the right to enter into commercial and military relationships involving presence in Daar Islam, or to promote and protect the existence of non-Islamic countries in regions close to the ummah. Whether those killed in the ensuing jihad were involved in any way with the struggle between Islam and others was largely irrelevant, as all were “infidels” subject to slaughter.

Initially and long-term, the West’s reaction was mixed. President Bush rashly referred to Islam as a “religion of peace”, which most assuredly it is not. The President even made a visit to a mosque. Correctly, the U.S. and other allied countries invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, with a goal towards clarifying the relationship between the West and Islamic lands. That relationship ought to be based upon equality mutual respect for each other’s interests. Clearly, that is not the basis of the relationship, where planes smash into buildings, exploding jihadis slaughter people at random on commuter trains (March 11, 2004 in Spain), subways (July 11, 2005 in Britain) or attempt to do so again in Britain (June 27-28, 2007 in London and Glasgow). Muslims’ attempts to equate those attacks with collateral damage inflicted in the course of wars not aimed by the West at civilians, and/or off-course and non-deadly events such as Abu Ghraib are fatuous at best. The West vigorously prosecutes any military activity aimed at civilians. This is well-known, and to deny this borders on fraud.

In the West, newspapers and politicians seek the easy course; withdrawal (of volunteer troops) from Iraq, appeasement of Muslim interests, etc. Footbaths designed to facilitate prayer are being installed at universities [URL=a href=http://www.nysun.com/article/59485](link to article)[/URL], supported by people who express opposition to the idea of Christmas displays in public, and/or display of the Ten Commandments in court houses. The West needs to understand what is at stake, and push back. That way, Muslims, Christians and Jews can live in peace, cognizant of the boundaries, and what happens when those are transgressed.

If you think that’s bad, ask the Japanese whether life was better under Tojo and dictatorship than it is now. Did we win their “hearts and minds” by appeasement. Oops, I forgot, we dropped the ultimate weapon on them. They are not expressing their “anger” by blowing themselves up to kill people. Nor, for that matter, are Jewish victims of the Holocaust. The Muslims can learn to be a constructive, contributing part of this world. They do not have to limit their contributions to rapine, death and destruction, in search of domination.

And those views are the views of a true liberal; peace, equality and freedom should, and must rule.


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tostig
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posted 11 September 2007 04:22 PM      Profile for tostig     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The day when Bush morphed from being the laughing stock of the world and turned into the saviour of the free world.
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jbgatkinkos
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posted 11 September 2007 04:43 PM      Profile for jbgatkinkos        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by tostig:
The day when Bush morphed from being the laughing stock of the world and turned into the saviour of the free world.

I'm not quite sure I follow. If people want to laugh, let them.

Tojo laughed. The people of Hiroshima didn't.


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Doug
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posted 11 September 2007 04:51 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by tostig:
The day when Bush morphed from being the laughing stock of the world and turned into the saviour of the free world.

And then everyone noticed he was reading "My Pet Goat".


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Ken Burch
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posted 11 September 2007 05:35 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Er...Bush saved the world?

When did THAT happen?

(Frankly, I think several hundred thousand Iraqis would take issue with that assertion.

That is, if they were still alive to take issue with it.)

And "followers of a false god?

Excuse me, but blaspheming the Muslim godhead hardly helps matters.


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unionist
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posted 11 September 2007 05:37 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Burch:
Er...Bush saved the world?

When did THAT happen?


When he was caught trying to deposit it in his savings account.


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Ken Burch
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posted 11 September 2007 05:39 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
As to the day itself...

9/11/07 was a day when the deaths of several thousand innocent people in the World Trade Center(who killed them is still in some question)was exploited to start a war against a country that had nothing to do with their deaths at all.

It was a day when the shock of a nation was manipulated to justify restricting the civil liberties of that same nation and when that nation's unelected government used that shock and grief to silence debate and implement an extreme right-wing agenda it had no mandate to enact.

9/11 was, so far, the worst day of the milennium. Perhaps the day when the hopes and dreams of that milennium were strangled in the cradle(or at least that is what our leader wished to have happen.)

The tragedy goes on. The suffering goes on. The lies go on. And the terrorists with the flag pins continue to win.


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Michelle
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posted 12 September 2007 03:10 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah. Whatshisface is a troll and no longer with us.
From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged

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