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Geneva
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posted 06 January 2008 11:32 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
several political pros said Obama-McCain race likely,
this morning on the US political talk shows:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/us/politics/07campaigncnd.html?hp

Clearly the Iowa results had changed a dynamic for the Democrats. Mr. Obama’s victory left Mrs. Clinton, whose lead in national polls has been fading for weeks, with the delicate challenge of needing to fight back and continue stressing her experience, without appearing unlikable, shrill or too wedded to Washington.

On the Republican side, New Hampshire appears crucial for Mr. Romney, but less so for Mr. Huckabee, who never expected to do well in the Northeastern state and who said, amiably, on Sunday that he would be perfectly happy with a third-place finish.

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Geneva
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posted 06 January 2008 11:46 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
STATE TAKES THINGS IN STRIDE,
in likely designating prez candidates:
http://tinyurl.com/2mpks2

“Barack Obama has cut a seventeen-point deficit to just two points today,” said David Paleologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center. “He’s done this in four days with no sign of a slowing trend.”

Edwards remains viable at 14 percent, which is helping Clinton maintain a slight edge. However, if in the last 48 hours Edwards voters choose one of the top two candidates, survey research suggests that Edwards’ demographics already are predisposed to rotating to Obama.

[...]
Ron Paul passes Huckabee
In the Republican Primary, the 7NEWS/Suffolk University poll shows Romney (30 percent) leading McCain (27 percent), followed by Rudy Giuliani (10 percent), Ron Paul (9 percent), Mike Huckabee (7 percent), Fred Thompson (2 percent) and Duncan Hunter (1 percent). Twelve percent were undecided. Paul is now polling ahead of Iowa Caucus winner Huckabee.

[ 06 January 2008: Message edited by: Geneva ]


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Geneva
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posted 07 January 2008 11:04 AM      Profile for Geneva     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
if Hillary hammers Obama. where does that leave her(them)?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/07/post_265.html?hpid=topnews

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Doug
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posted 07 January 2008 04:47 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems more like Hillary is the one who's going to be hammered. As the NH rules allow voters registered as Independent to vote in either party's primary, lots of them will be coming out to vote for Obama.
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posted 07 January 2008 04:52 PM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I thought Hillary could still pull it off with a respectable second-place finish in New Hampshire by riding her strong national numbers to win on Super Duper Tuesday. But even her national lead appears to have evaporated, with Obama pulling even or in some cases leading.

Plus, with her little Ed Muskie moment today (possibly this cycle's 'Dean Scream'?) it's starting to look more and more like she's toast.

I think, however, that Obama should seriously consider offering her the VP slot, and that she should seriously consider taking it.


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posted 07 January 2008 06:06 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So...Clinton's well-up. Planned?

I hate being so cynical. But it just seemed way too well-done to me. Just the right amount of voice-catch, without actually losing her composure... But on the other hand, she's had a rough couple of days...

Unfortunately, I don't think Clinton can catch a break. If she campaigns like men and acts like men, people think she's cold. If she shows emotion, people wonder whether people will consider it "showing weakness" or if it will seem calculated (which I admit was my first reaction, but then, that would be my reaction had any of the men running, or Kerry last time around, done it).

[ 07 January 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Marc
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posted 07 January 2008 06:37 PM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It will be interesting how the well-up will play with Americans...will it make her seem more human and less robotic? Or will it play on the fact that she is a woman and that a woman isn't strong enough to be President? I am not sure but I think it might be too late. Obama will win NH fairly handily...by 12-15% is my guess.
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posted 07 January 2008 06:59 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:
I think, however, that Obama should seriously consider offering her the VP slot, and that she should seriously consider taking it.


I doubt she's interested, and good for her. She'll campaign as best she can, and let the chips fall where they may. If Obama wins the nomination, I'm guessing Edwards will be his running mate.


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posted 07 January 2008 08:02 PM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In my heart of hearts, I doubt that Hillary will be seriously considered for the VP slot at the end of the day, or that she would take it if offered, just wishful thinking on my part.

I think it makes a lot of sense for Hillary to be in the number-two slot. Obama will be the odds-on favourite to win the White House, so assuming he wins, the Dem nomination will not be up for grabs until 2016 at the earliest, by which time HRC will be well past her best-before date. On the other hand, if she takes the number-two slot, she still gets into the history books as the first female VP and can put her much-ballyhooed 'experience' to work and become a huge player in the administration - sort of Obama's Cheney (only not, y'know, pure evil).

I similarly doubt Edwards will be the number two spot on the ticket. Maybe it's my visceral dislike of Edwards (he just strikes me as a total phony) and my doubts about his sudden conversion to progressive politics (which has little relationship to his actual voting record), but I would be both surprised and disappointed if he was a second-time VP nominee.

If Obama's campaign is about reaching out to independents and disaffected Republicans and creating a 'new kind' of politics, then picking potentially polarizing figures like HRC and Edwards would probably be a mistake. His whole campaign is built on the idea that Americans need to move beyond the bitter partisan divide that has characterized national politics since, well, since the Nixon era, really. But at the same time, there will be the inevitable questions about 'experience', particularly in the foreign policy and defence fields. Picking another relative neophyte might be problematic.


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posted 07 January 2008 08:55 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The first results from NH are in, from villages called Dixville Notch (hee!) and Hart's Location that vote at midnight.

In Dixville Notch:

Giuliani: 1
Huckabee: 0
McCain: 4
Romney: 2

Clinton: 0
Edwards: 2
Richardson: 1
Obama: 7

In Hart's Location:

Obama: 9
Clinton: 3
Edwards: 1

McCain: 6
Huckabee: 5
Paul: 4
Romney: 1


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posted 07 January 2008 09:20 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obama 16
All other Dems 6 [out of 22 votes]


Nearest Repub 10 [out of 23 votes]


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posted 07 January 2008 09:55 PM      Profile for Centrist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ghoris:
If Obama's campaign is about reaching out to independents and disaffected Republicans and creating a 'new kind' of politics

... and he succeeds within both the Democratic Party as well as with the public at large, then he's the next president.

As for VP, he will have to balance the ticket with someone from the south... perhaps John Edwards.

By the time Super Tuesday rolls around, things will become ice-water clear.

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posted 07 January 2008 10:12 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think Hilary Clinton is a far more powerful force in the Senate than as VP, although time will tell if Dick Cheney has changed the role of VP forever to a more active force at the executive level.

I make no bones about it: I want Clinton defeated. I think the DLC that bent over backwards to accomodate the Right - hell, sometimes rushed pass the Right in their enthusiasm - needs to be repudiated. And if Edwards can hammer home that message, then he has done his job in this campaign whether he wins or loses.

It is beginning to look like this is Obama's baby, though, doesn't it? There might not be a question anymore.


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