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Hephaestion
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posted 07 March 2006 03:47 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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(Sydney) Sturdier toilets may be on their way in Australia to cope with the country's increasingly obese population.

Standards Australia, a nongovernment group that establishes safety and design standards, is considering recommending strengthening toilets for larger users, a spokeswoman said Tuesday. Obesity levels have been rising for years in Australia.

Standards Australia spokeswoman Kate Evans said the current industry standard for toilet seats is just 45 kilograms and that the group is looking to increase it to 150 kilograms.

Experts will examine the seats "from the perspective that people are getting bigger," Evans said.

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Michelle
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posted 07 March 2006 08:28 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't 45 kilograms something like a hundred pounds?

Stop the presses! Australians are grossly obese - they weigh more than a hundred pounds! Oh, what is this world coming to?

Jeez.


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 March 2006 09:05 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Isn't 45 kilograms something like a hundred pounds?


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Standards Australia spokeswoman Kate Evans said the current industry standard for toilet seats is just 45 kilograms and that the group is looking to increase it to 150 kilograms.


45 kg = 99.21 lbs. ; 150 kg = 330.7 lbs.

So yeah, I'd say it's a problem...

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kuri
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posted 07 March 2006 09:46 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, this looks like a problem in search of a happy medium....
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greenie
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posted 07 March 2006 11:57 AM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe they're changing the standard with an eye towards the future? There's no point changing the standard to 90 kg just to revisit the issue again in 10 years (assuming current trends continue). The article doesn't mention what the current average weight of adults is in Australia too.
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Nanuq
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posted 07 March 2006 12:13 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if these big toilets are still raceworthy.
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skdadl
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posted 07 March 2006 12:17 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When one sits on a toilet, is the toilet taking one's full weight?
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 March 2006 12:27 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A little bit would be carried by your feet, but otherwise yes. Unless you can Yogic Fly. While dookieing.
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marzo
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posted 07 March 2006 12:30 PM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Australia needs a national physical fitness program for the general population, not just elite athletes.
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skdadl
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posted 07 March 2006 12:31 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How would a physicist work this out?

I mean, the fact that one's entire body is not directly over the seat, not bearing down directly, must affect the weight. And then, with feet on floor, you've got both extension and another point of contact ...

This is the kind of question I could not answer on my physics matric exam.


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 07 March 2006 12:34 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, there certainly would be a lot of math.

But at home: weigh yourself on your bathroom scale. Now sit on the toilet and place the scale under your feet and sit as normally as possible.
The scale shows how much of your weight is on your feet. The rest your overall weight minus this reading is on your gluteus maximus.


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marzo
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posted 07 March 2006 12:39 PM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, here's a simple answer to a complex question:
Do you want to lose 10 pounds of ugly fat? Chop off your head!

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skdadl
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posted 07 March 2006 12:45 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, I did that. And it is really interesting!

Because I am very short-sighted, in order to read the scale precisely when I am seated I have to lean forward, perhaps putting my elbows on my knees. If I lean 'way forward, I have shifted up to 45 per cent of my weight on to the scale!

If I sit back and squint, I think the scale is registering about half that. So something approaching a quarter of one's weight is not actually bearing down on the toilet seat.

sk "just call me Sir Isaac" dadl


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posted 07 March 2006 01:19 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Skdadl stop it. I am trying to apply for a research grant and your doing the work for free.

[ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: Pogo ]


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skdadl
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posted 07 March 2006 01:21 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I often seem to be working for free. I think it is fate. ;(
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Nanuq
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posted 07 March 2006 02:02 PM      Profile for Nanuq   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Somehow I'm reminded of the old joke about the woman who lost 200 pounds of unsightly fat by divorcing him.
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posted 07 March 2006 08:16 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm taking a break from babbling as I've got a nasty cold and have been feverish and have probably been sending too much stupid inane stuff, but I couldn't resist this, having seen this thread earlier today: The National Public Toilet Map: A project of the National Continence Management Strategy
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Michelle
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posted 07 March 2006 08:24 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

45 kg = 99.21 lbs. ; 150 kg = 330.7 lbs.

So yeah, I'd say it's a problem...


I don't know about that. They're not saying that the average Aussie is 330 lbs. They're saying that the industry standard for toilets should be 330 lbs. That's very different.

It's ridiculous for the industry standard to only take into account the very bottom end (ha, no pun intended) of the weight range, and I think most people would agree that a hundred pounds is about as low as you're going to get for adult weights.

It also wouldn't make sense to only make the toilets strong enough to hold the AVERAGE person's weight, since there are going to be lots of people not only below average but above average.

What DOES make sense is to make toilets strong enough to hold the upper end of the weight range. That way if your 330 lb Uncle Fred comes over to visit, your toilet will hold him as well it it holds the rest of your family's skinny little 130 lb asses.

Seriously, I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Oh no, we have to start making toilets hold more than a hundred pounds, that means everyone's getting fat! No, it means their toilets were probably inadequate for the average person even before, and now they're making it so even the largest in a certain weight range can use them. I very highly doubt that everywhere you turn in Australia, you see nothing but 300 lb. men and women.

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kuri
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posted 07 March 2006 08:56 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It their toilets do indeed break down at 45 kg, it's a wonder they didn't have a problem ages ago!
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Pogo
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posted 07 March 2006 09:53 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Nanuq:
Somehow I'm reminded of the old joke about the woman who lost 200 pounds of unsightly fat by divorcing him.

How long would this stay up unchallenged if the genders were reversed? I understand and agree with points about advantage, but I still wonder why male ridicule is so 'okay'.


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Boarsbreath
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posted 08 March 2006 09:48 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Aussies are pretty fat, no different from Nova Scotia on casual immersion.

But the toilet situation's different. We, after all, are exerting considerable force downwards most of the time we're on the thing, not to mention losing mass with it.

Whereas Down Under,
The women blow
And the men chunder

...which is force directd forward, an appreciable vector of which must go upward. More strain on the porcelain.


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