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Debra
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posted 15 January 2002 03:52 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been thinking about the adoption issue lately and these are some thoughts I've been having.


You often hear that there are so many parents waiting for babies and yet it seems there are so many wee ones who are unadoptable because they don't fit the perameters of what the potential parents hope to have in an infant or child.

According to an article in the Star a few months ago the regular routes of adoption through CAS for instance make it almost impossible for people to live up to the requirements. Do they then think it better that children are shifted from home to home?


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Trinitty
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posted 15 January 2002 04:14 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think children are definately a feminist issue.

No, I sure don't think it better that they be shifted from home to home. Although, how do we make the requirements less stringent, while still finding healthy and happy homes for these kids?

What are the requirements now?


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vaudree
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posted 15 January 2002 04:23 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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andrean
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posted 16 January 2002 11:01 AM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's hard for me to be critical of adoptive parents, because I love my own so much, but I'm going to do it anyway. (I also admit to being of two - three - more - minds on this matter so I'm quite likely to contradict myself en route).

I think that adoptive parents who really want to have a child but insist on it being a healthy, able, preferably white, infant need to examine their motivations for being a parent. Of course everyone wants their child to be 'perfect' - but there is certainly no guarantee of that when bearing a child so I don't see why it's such a demand in adoption. Of course I understand that some adoptive parents, like some birth parents, may not be equipped to handle a child with special needs. But at the same time, people cope. Nobody anticipates giving birth to a child with a disability. If anything, adopting a child with a disability give the parents a distinct head start in identifying the situation and preparing for it before the child 'arrives'.

A lot of people don't want to adopt an older child because they think that the child won't feel like it is 'their's'. This relates to what I said in the Handmaid's Tale thread. If children weren't treated like commodities who belonged to this or that parent, there wouldn't be this concern. In a time when families have extensions going in all directions (step-parents, step-siblings, parents' ex-spouses, etc, etc) why is it so difficult to embrace the concept of a child having both the family of origin and the family who raise it?

There is also a concern among some (not all) adoptive parents that children adopted in Canada, especially older children who remember their family of origin, will eventually return to that family. Lots of folks are adopting internationally, especially from China, where it can be almost impossible to trace birth families. This seems extremely selfish to me, and while some level of selfishness is inherent in wanting a child, it shouldn't preclude the child's future health and well-being.

Enough! I could go on about this all day. Let someone else have a turn.


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Trinitty
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posted 16 January 2002 11:18 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Andrean, as an abopted child, I think you have an experienced perspective, you CAN go on all day if you like.

I don't know if we could get past the selfishness factor when it comes to adoption. A friend of mine can trace everything back to selfishness.. even charity and volunteering "you're doing it because it makes you feel good". Know what I mean? I see your point about parents adopting from China and Russia, etc... BUT, what's the lesser "evil" in that situation? The self-satisfaction felt by adoptive parents, or, the child possibly living in an orphanage for most of it's life?

I totally know what you're getting at, and it makes me uncomfortable aswell, BUT, -there's that word again- Do the benefits not outweigh the costs?

As far as disabled children go, how does that happen? Are most given up at birth? Are they surrendered when their parents cannot care for them? Do FAS, down syndrome, etc.. babies get adopted? It takes a special kind of soul to adopt a child with disabilities, unfortunately I don't know if there are enough of those in our society today... is there a way that we as a society could try to foster that in people?


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andrean
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posted 16 January 2002 11:48 AM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for your thoughtful response Trinitty. I'm not entirely opposed to the selfishness factor anyway - I mean, who would you rather be adopted by, some couple who desperately want to parent a child or some couple who want to do right by some poor abandoned baby? I'll take the selfish people myself. I just don't think that the interests of the parents should outweigh the future interests of the child.

I appreciate your point about the "lesser of the two evils" and certainly, no one likes to think of little babies in other countries hollishing in orphanages. I guess what I'm suggesting is that by adopting from abroad, we're effectively keeping children who are already here hollishing in foster care.

As well, it's naive to think that a child adopted from abroad will have fewer 'special needs' than a child with a disability adopted domestically. The particulars may be less visible and the disabilities emotional instead of physical, but the problems will still be there. Most adoptive parents aren't prepared for that eventuality; it's unfair, both to them and to the children that they adopt.

(oh, and Trinitty, because I'm a fanatic about language, I'll let you know that upon achieving the age of majority, we're "adults who were adopted" or "adult adoptees", not "adopted children". It's a small thing but if you read the speech that I gave at Queen's Park last fall - it's in some thread around here, somewhere - I think you'll agree that it's important. Thanks. )


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Trinitty
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posted 16 January 2002 12:23 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
The particulars may be less visible and the disabilities emotional instead of physical, but the problems will still be there. Most adoptive parents aren't prepared for that eventuality; it's unfair, both to them and to the children that they adopt.

Very good point.

I'll keep the language thing in mind too, I just had never thought of it.


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dee
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posted 16 January 2002 12:36 PM      Profile for dee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I think that adoptive parents who really want to have a child but insist on it being a healthy, able, preferably white, infant need to examine their motivations for being a parent. Of course everyone wants their child to be 'perfect' - but there is certainly no guarantee of that when bearing a child so I don't see why it's such a demand in adoption. Of course I understand that some adoptive parents, like some birth parents, may not be equipped to handle a child with special needs. But at the same time, people cope. Nobody anticipates giving birth to a child with a disability. If anything, adopting a child with a disability give the parents a distinct head start in identifying the situation and preparing for it before the child 'arrives'.

While I agree that it is sad that children with disabilities are not sought after during adoption, I hardly think it is fair to ask people to examine their motivations if they will only adopt an apparently healthy child.

To care for a child with a life-long disability is a task that no one would choose if they, indeed, had the option. Whether you are a birth parent or an adoptive parent, if you had a choice between a healthy or disabled baby you would probably want the healthy child. The difference is that birth parents often have only a choice between having the child or not having the child at all (genetic science not withstanding... but that's for another thread and another time). Adoptive parents have a choice between having a healthy child or an unhealthy child. Who among us would choose to adopt a disabled child (you don't have to answer that)? I'm not sure that I would so I cannot judge others who don't.

[ January 16, 2002: Message edited by: dee ]


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