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Privateer
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posted 20 February 2004 07:07 PM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know this isn't the sexiest issue for leftists to be talking about what I hear is interest rates are going down twice In March, each time a quarter of a percent. Wow, people are going to pay $500/month on a $100K mortgage, and thats the fixed rate. These aren't the lowest rates in decades, these are the lowest ever. If there is any way possible to get out of renting, do it next month.
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radiorahim
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posted 20 February 2004 08:57 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah...smartest move I ever made was getting out of the rental game...mind you if something doesn't get fixed you've got no one to blame but yourself

Only thing is that if rates drop then with everyone getting into the market prices tend to spike upwards.


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Stephen Gordon
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posted 20 February 2004 09:00 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Exactly. Make sure you're not buying because you figure that you can sell for a higher price later. That's how housing bubbles start.
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posted 20 February 2004 09:11 PM      Profile for clever nickname     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, I hope the rate stays this low for a while, so I can fix my student loan at a decent rate.

Sadly, there's no way I'll be buying any property any time soon, so I can't take advantage that way.


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radiorahim
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posted 21 February 2004 01:51 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Make sure you're not buying because you figure that you can sell for a higher price later. That's how housing bubbles start.

Yeah...buy because you need a place to live...not with the idea of making money.

Understand Japan got into a real estate bubble that burst big time and they still haven't recovered from it.

Of course we had a bubble here in the late 1980's too that burst. If prices spike really quick then sooner or later they're going to crash really quick.


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Privateer
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posted 21 February 2004 02:13 PM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When many people start flipping real estate, you know you are in a crazy market. "Flipping" means buying and selling house after house quickly for profit without doing anything to add to the property (eg. renos, new deck etc.). On the other hand, as a small time, first-time buyer, your expectation for profit or not will not mean much. I don't hope to profit so much as to have some equity in a few years to borrow cheaply to improve my house.

I believe South West BC (not just Vancouver) is in a bubble situation. The prices are out-of-hand, keeping the average buyer out of contention for home ownership (except maybe a leaky condo in Maple Ridge). In Halifax, prices have gone up significantly but your typical family can still afford a decent home...the only bubble here maybe with downtown condos.


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posted 22 February 2004 11:01 PM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just for fun I did some quick calculations.
If a person bought a house, south of Ottawa that cost $120,000 in 1997 with a mortgage rate of 7% amortized over 25 years the total interest paid at the end is $131,974 at $840.50/mo.

The same house in 2004 is assessed at 200,000. If it was a fresh start with a mortgage rate of 4.5% with a 25 year amortization the total interest paid would be $131,980 at $1,106.95/mo.

It would cost $79,935.00 or $266.45/mo more over 25 years if the house was bought in 2004 or about 2 years of work for the average income person.

I had wondered before I did this calculation if the amount paid would have been the same due to the higher housing prices being offset by lower interest rates.

The house is worth more and this will help if the home owner wants to dig the debt hole a little deeper later on, however the increased property value only feels good on paper, but in real life terms this requires more hours of work to pay the higher house price and the increased municipal taxes that accompany the higher assessment. I guess this can change depending if the mortgager has a steady salary, gets canned, or makes more money and decides to pay off the debt faster.

I’d say take the time and look for a home not just a house, get a tool box, ladder and shovel, learn how to patch holes, solder pipes, run wires and paint. Make sure the structure is sound so spend the extra cash and get a home inspection done. Make sure the home inspector has references. The great thing about home repairs is that when the project is done you can admire the fine work as a monument to yourself.


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ReeferMadness
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posted 01 March 2004 11:56 PM      Profile for ReeferMadness     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, Pimji, this is how most people think. Which is why real estate gets so overheated in the first place.

Interest rates don't stay the same forever. The person who bought in 1997 would be renewing their mortgage in 2002 when interest rates were substantially lower. And by then, they'd be sitting on a property that have increased considerably in value.

Meanwhile, the people who buy in 2004 will have to renew in 2009, probably at a higher rate. And it is likely they will will endure a couple of years of flat or perhaps negative change in value of their house.

This is why it makes more sense to buy when interest rates are higher and prices lower.


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