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idontandwontevergolf
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posted 29 September 2005 06:34 AM      Profile for idontandwontevergolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am 30 weeks pregnant and off work due to an illness. I likely won't be returning before my due date. As my job does not have a disabilty plan, I am on EI. I requested a letter of employment for a bank loan and my employer's lackey contacted me and said they were not prepared to provide me with such a letter but would, instead, offer me a settlement of a month's salary. She (the lackey) suggested that this would help with my finances. After a call to the lackey from my mother (God bless her), the letter was provided. Though not until the lackey said that the employer could not predict their staffing needs when my maternity leave ended and what happens if the baby gets colic.

This office, though run by men, has several young women working there who will, in all likelihood, become pregnant at some point. I want to tell all of them what almost happened to me but am afraid that I will suffer some consequences if I do this. I also want to shake the six male partners who run the show, well, write them a letter, actually, and tell them how wacky they are.

I was amazed that this could happen in this day and age. Although I hate being off work, besides being bored my income on EI is barely subsistence, I can't help being ill and I certainly can't help having to go on maternity leave.


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RP.
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posted 29 September 2005 08:17 AM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Way back in the dark ages of ... 2003, my wife was fired for being pregnant. We were so going to file a human rights complaint, even if just for the principle, but a few intervening factors convinced us to not bother. It really sucks when you know you are, in principle, right, but for practical reasons have to take it on the chin.

I know that a lot of workplaces put a lot of formal and informal pressures on women to not become pregnant.

Maybe you ought to write the partners a letter. It doesn't make business sense for them to have official or unofficial policies that could attract liability.


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skdadl
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posted 29 September 2005 08:37 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
idont, can you just clarify: Do you think that you still might be able to go back to this job? And do you want to go back to this job?

If yes to both questions, then I think you should talk to a counsellor or a lawyer (and I'm sure one will be by soon) before you set anything down on paper. I know how strong that longing to "shake" those six male partners can be, but there might be better and/or worse ways of doing that -- ie, and still keep your job.


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Michelle
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posted 29 September 2005 08:48 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's the worst time of all to have to file a human rights complaint, isn't it, with all the busyness that comes with pregnancy (and soon childbirth and raising your munchkin).

I think what you should do is document, document, document. Write down every conversation you and your mother have had, with who, and with dates and times (a pain in the ass when you're ill, but try). Write down as much of the conversation, and in as much detail, as possible, and print it out immediately (in case your computer crashes over the next year) and keep it in a safe place.

I'm not sure, but will you also need a record of employment from your employer for EI, after your illness leave ends and your maternity leave starts? If so, and if they hassle you then about it, tell them in no uncertain terms that they have to provide a record of employment - it's the law. If they say again that they don't know whether or not you will be "needed" after your maternity leave, here's a page to print out and give to them: Click! Highlight the relevant parts.

Document that conversation too. If you don't get an ROE at that point, then give these nice folks a call and they will send you complaint forms to fill out. (It actually doesn't look like a very difficult process - they seem to help you throughout the way in doing it.)

If they don't hassle you at the time of your maternity leave, but then when it's time to go back to work, if they don't let you come back, document that too. And then file a human rights complaint.

Babblers who would be interesting on this subject: Jeff House, who, I believe, worked as an adjudicator for a human rights tribunal at some point, and Wilfred Day. Both of them are lawyers and I'm not, so take my advice with a grain of salt.


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RP.
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posted 29 September 2005 08:52 AM      Profile for RP.     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
It's the worst time of all to have to file a human rights complaint, isn't it, with all the busyness that comes with pregnancy (and soon childbirth and raising your munchkin).

Not to mention that the process takes such a long time (at least a year for all of the investigations, over 2 years if it ends up going to a tribunal).


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Michelle
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posted 29 September 2005 09:05 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, either way it looks like she's going to have to find a new job (and I only suggested she do this if they actually fire her). Might as well fuck them over on the way out, and perhaps get a settlement for it down the line.
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brebis noire
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posted 29 September 2005 09:15 AM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't have anything practical to add to Michelle's excellent advice - just some words of support. This is an important issue, not just for you, but for all women and their partners who decide it's time to have a baby.

Just hold on to the thought that having a kid is a normal human event, that wanting to work outside the the home is normal and human as well - and that wanting to do both is completely, absolutely legit - no matter what some people seem to want to make you think.

I've been there (I didn't go back to the same job - I found a much better one), and like skdadl, I think it's hard to envisage going back to work in a place like that: what if you decide (horrors! ) to have another baby a few years down the road?
Maybe the best thing would be to make a big issue out of it - make them sweat - if only for the sake of others and the principle involved, but to plan on moving up and out of there. It will be their loss.

[ 29 September 2005: Message edited by: brebis noire ]


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Timebandit
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posted 29 September 2005 10:01 AM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Idont -- I'm not sure of your location, but we have a Labour Standards Act here in Saskatchewan, and my guess is there is one in every province. It might be easier to contact the provincial dept. in charge of that to throw a scare into your employer -- it's actually illegal, unless you are a casual employee, to tell you that you may not have a job after your mat leave, and you may not have to go the route of filing a human rights complaint, which is a very long process.
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beibhnn
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posted 29 September 2005 11:53 AM      Profile for beibhnn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Idont - I think from your postal code you are in Ontario so this FAQ sheet might be helpful.
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Sisyphus2
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posted 29 September 2005 12:15 PM      Profile for Sisyphus2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First I would like to say that I am sorry you have to go through something like this.

I'd also like to throw this out there (and perhaps the mod would like to move this to a more appropriate thread) but I am nearing 30 and have yet to have any children of my own. I am still working on a degree and I would like to eventually have children, but it's things like this that make me start to question that. Do any of you think that perhaps this is why the birth rate in Canada is decreasing or why many women are deciding to have children later in life? Just a thought. I know I'm starting to think that a couple of dogs may be the route I take. Sad state of affairs in 2005.


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idontandwontevergolf
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posted 29 September 2005 12:19 PM      Profile for idontandwontevergolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do not plan to go back to that job as it stunk from the beginning.

There are two issues: how it affects me and the implications this has for other women in their employ. (As Brebis noir indicated.)

Michelle, I have the ROE, and all is straight with EI for a seamless transition from sick leave to maternity and then to parental leave. (My mother spent an hour and a half on the phone with an EI rep straightening all of this out.)

As far as lodging a human rights complaint, I had not thought of that. It sounds like the right way to go, however, in the end, nothing was actually done to me - they provided the letter I needed. I wonder if I could make a case for the stress they caused me. I also wonder if their actions could constitute constructive dismissal in that they will have made it so uncomfortable for me to even return to work at all.

I should have known they were nasty when I went off with the illness no one called, no flowers, no card. My husband's employer, on the other hand, sent me a dozen long stemmed roses and a lovely card.


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brebis noire
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posted 29 September 2005 12:30 PM      Profile for brebis noire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sisyphus2:
I'd also like to throw this out there (and perhaps the mod would like to move this to a more appropriate thread) but I am nearing 30 and have yet to have any children of my own. I am still working on a degree and I would like to eventually have children, but it's things like this that make me start to question that. Do any of you think that perhaps this is why the birth rate in Canada is decreasing or why many women are deciding to have children later in life? Just a thought. I know I'm starting to think that a couple of dogs may be the route I take. Sad state of affairs in 2005.


From personal experience, I can't help thinking this is the case. When I hit 28, I remember thinking, omigod! - there's never going to be a good time to have a baby. The only reason I went ahead with it was because at least I had the relationship part of it down by then. When I had a second kid at 32, I noticed that the doctors were treating my pregnancy as slightly more at risk than four years previously, strictly from a medico-statistical point of view.

If employers are putting the chill on women - not because of gender but because of reproduction - then it really shows how much we still need to fight for - mat leave as a right, not a privilege, affordable quality daycare, options for the self-employed...


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