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sidra
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posted 04 December 2006 07:15 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Published: Monday, December 04, 2006
WASHINGTON - U.S. President George W. Bush will not renominate the US ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, when his temporary appointment lapses later this month, the White House said Monday.

"The president has reluctantly accepted the decision of US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton that his service to the administration end when his current recess appointment expires," said spokewoman Dana Perino.


http://tinyurl.com/y2yv5g


Too bad, Sen. Lincoln Chafee, a moderate Republican who was adamantly opposed to Bolton lost in the midterm elections. If any comfort for him...

Good riddance, Johnny !

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posted 04 December 2006 07:27 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, that's a good start.

Comments from whitehouse spokesperson Dana Perino...

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"He also made reform at the UN a front-and-center issues, because our country wants the UN to become more credible and thereby more effective," said the spokeswoman.


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"Despite the support of what was a strong bipartisan majority of senators, Ambassador Bolton's confirmation was blocked by a Democratic filibuster. This is a clear example of the breakdown in the senate confirmation process," said Perino.


Well, I guess that's what they believe on Planet Bush. Apparently the theme for the forseeable future will be this new, highly partisan Democratic congress, acting in it's own political interests, and contrary to those of the American people as outlined by the great patriots in the Republican administration.


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sidra
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posted 04 December 2006 09:07 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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He also made reform at the UN a front-and-center issues, because our country wants the UN to become more credible and thereby more effective," -Whitehouse spokesperson Dana Perino

This is the Bolton proposed recipe for a "more effective" UN.

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The Bolton amendments, published in the US press, seek to play down the emphasis given to alleviating poverty, and expunge all references to the millennium development goals, including the target for wealthy countries to donate at least 0.7 % of national income to the developing world. America currently gives less than 0.2% in such aid.

The changes would also scrap provisions in the draft calling for action against global warming, and remove endorsements of the international criminal court and the comprehensive test-ban treaty - both of which are opposed by the Bush administration.

Instead, Washington is pushing for more emphasis on international measures against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.


http://tinyurl.com/yfqph4

Of course the spin's very purpose is to coat the awful and despictable with a layer of alluring shine. "more effective", who could be against more effectiveness of the UN ? What an evil empire the neocons wanted the USA to become !

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posted 04 December 2006 10:16 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sidra:
This is the Bolton proposed recipe for a "more effective" UN.

The Bolton amendments, published in the US press, seek to play down the emphasis given to alleviating poverty, and expunge all references to the millennium development goals...Instead, Washington is pushing for more emphasis on international measures against terrorism and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Of course the spin's very purpose is to coat the awful and despictable with a layer of alluring shine. "more effective", who could be against more effectiveness of the UN ? What an evil empire the neocons wanted the USA to become !


May I point out that the spokeswoman also said making the UN "more credible", as if it is somehow NOT credible and that Bolton's vision thereby is.

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because our country wants the UN to become more credible and thereby more effective," said the spokeswoman.

Thank God, this man is no gone and the perhaps some semblance of sanity may be governing potions of the USA!


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sidra
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posted 04 December 2006 10:54 AM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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May I point out that the spokeswoman also said making the UN "more credible", as if it is somehow NOT credible and that Bolton's vision thereby is. remind

Ever since the invasion of Iraq, I have become reluctant to associate the UN with credibility. We can debate what the UN could have or not done when the US defied international law, but the point is that it lost credibility.

But I agree that it is not the US amendments that would re-establish, or increase UN credibility.


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quote:
Originally posted by sidra:
Ever since the invasion of Iraq, I have become reluctant to associate the UN with credibility. We can debate what the UN could have or not done when the US defied international law, but the point is that it lost credibility.

Perhaps you have a point there, but I am not sure, in my own opinion, that the UN lost credibility over the USA's illegal invasion of Iraq. That would, as you point out lay in the debate of what it could've have done, and it is my perception that it did all it could, at that time, considering.

However, my main point in saying that was, as if Bolton's mandate was credible regarding the non-proliferation of nukes seeing as how Rumsfeld wanted the USA to use, and perhaps did use, the new small target nukes and the vast quantity that the USA has and will not dispose of, and the fact that they behave as though they have the only right to them!

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But I agree that it is not the US amendments that would re-establish, or increase UN credibility.

Exactly!


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posted 04 December 2006 11:35 AM      Profile for Wolf     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by sidra:
I have become reluctant to associate the UN with credibility. We

Me too. I don't believe the UN is beyond hope but it needs major reform. For instance it condemns Israel to a disproportionate degree.


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posted 04 December 2006 01:27 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, it condemns them a lot, but that doesn't mean it's disproportionate. They keep getting condemned because they keep breaking international law. That's the whole point of the existence of the UN.

It reminds me of when I worked in a video store and would call up people with overdue movies. Sometimes they'd get really mad, and say, "I know my movies are overdue! Stop calling me!" Buddy, I'm still calling you because you've still got them.


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Américain Égalitaire
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posted 04 December 2006 06:59 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well Bolton may be an ass and Bush might be "untethered from reality" to quote Frank Rich but at least they can read the writing on the wall.

Of particular interest will be whoever Bush puts forward next and the reception that person will face in the new Congress. This nominee will be a good litmus to see how Bush plans to work with the new Democratic Congress.

As for the UN, my perception is that its least effective when led around by the nose by the USA (which I believe is still greatly in arrears in its obligatory dues). Maybe the UN will operate with a little less deference to the US on the major issues (like rolling over for the Iraqi War) and provide more of a counterpoint to US influence worldwide. YMMV there of course.

As for Bolton, I fear we have not heard the last of him. He'll pop up like a bad penny on CON TV, FOX, the Sunday Shows, etc. pretty regularly and will probably get some think tank gig. Say what you will about the right (and I always do) but they take care of their own.


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