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jeff house
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posted 29 January 2007 11:10 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The death toll among American soldiers in Iraq hovers around 3070.

However, as is well known, many "private contractors" undertake off-the-books military activities in Iraq, but we never learn of any deaths among them.

It now appears the number is at least 770 deaths.

quote:
The contractor death toll rose last week when five Americans working for Blackwater USA were killed in Baghdad after their helicopter was shot down by insurgents. The contractors were rushing to help a U.S. Embassy convoy that had come under attack.

Civilian contractors killed in Iraq are often eligible — and many have received — the defense secretary's Medal for the Defense of Freedom, the so-called Purple Heart for civilians working on behalf of the military.

But their names are left off the Pentagon's Iraq casualty rolls.


So, the actual death toll among US "soldiers" is 25% higher than we have been told.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/4505235.html


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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 29 January 2007 11:21 AM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the actual death toll of Iraqis will never really be known.

Memories of Guatemala, Nicaragua, Panama, East Timore, etc., etc.


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Stargazer
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posted 29 January 2007 12:27 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope this is not Jeff House's last post.
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Erstwhile
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posted 29 January 2007 12:35 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
I hope this is not Jeff House's last post.

*snort* No fear of that. Mr. House is a lawyer - he'll never let someone get the last word.


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Michelle
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posted 29 January 2007 12:36 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The thread title startled me too when I first read it, but I think he's referring to the bugle song "Last Post" that they play for dead soldiers, since that's what the thread is about.
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Briguy
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posted 29 January 2007 12:37 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

[ 29 January 2007: Message edited by: Briguy ]


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 29 January 2007 12:44 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Last Post is played in the Canadian (& British, I believe) military tradition. Americans would play Taps.
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Ken Burch
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posted 29 January 2007 01:14 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The U.S. forces do play "Taps".

I believe the British forces still play the Scots pipe tune "Flowers of the Forest" when burying their dead.


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John K
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posted 29 January 2007 01:18 PM      Profile for John K        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The "Last Post" and "Flowers of the Forest" bring to mind one of the greatest anti-war songs ever written.
quote:
The Green Fields of France
Well how do you do, Private William McBride
Do you mind if I sit here down by your grave side?
A rest for awhile in the warm summer sun,
I've been walking all day and I'm nearly done.
And I see by your gravestone that you were only 19
when you joined the glorious fallen in 1916.
Well, I hope you died quick and I hope you died clean
Or, William McBride, was it slow and obscene?

CHORUS:
Did they beat the drum slowly?
did they sound the pipes lowly?
Did the rifles fire o'er ye as they lowered you down?
Did the bugle sing 'The Last Post' in chorus?
Did the pipes play 'The Flowers o' the Forest'?



Rest of the song

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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 29 January 2007 03:11 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
John McDermott has a version of that song that I can't listen for risk of bursting into tears at the office.
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Coyote
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posted 29 January 2007 07:39 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Might want to play it for the Prime Minister one day, Heywood.
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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 29 January 2007 07:42 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's kind of a weird thing to say and I'm sure you didn't mean it in the way that it sounds.
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Coyote
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posted 29 January 2007 07:48 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gah! NO! Nononononononono. [Note to CSIS agent: Didn't mean it that way!]

I merely meant that hearing the song might stir something in him to get us out of our awful quagmire in Afghanistan, and realize that our role in the world is not to play with the lives of our troops - nor the lives of Afghan citizens - to further Bush's military agenda.


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Piper-519
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posted 29 January 2007 07:54 PM      Profile for Piper-519        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Coyote:
Gah! NO! Nononononononono. [Note to CSIS agent: Didn't mean it that way!]

I merely meant that hearing the song might stir something in him to get us out of our awful quagmire in Afghanistan, and realize that our role in the world is not to play with the lives of our troops - nor the lives of Afghan citizens - to further Bush's military agenda.


And the UK's, Spain's, Germany's, Italy's...Sweden's....Belgium's....(in case you didn't know, they're all there too).

So what is our role in the world then? International arse-kisser?


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Frustrated Mess
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posted 29 January 2007 08:00 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently. Harper's lippers have slobbered all over W's fat, flabby buttocks.

[ 29 January 2007: Message edited by: Frustrated Mess ]


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siren
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posted 29 January 2007 08:01 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Piper-519:


And the UK's, Spain's, Germany's, Italy's...Sweden's....Belgium's....(in case you didn't know, they're all there too).

So what is our role in the world then? International arse-kisser?


Is that what you guys and gals are doing with the ISAF and NATO international troops? I'm not sure I support that!


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Coyote
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posted 29 January 2007 08:01 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We all know whose agenda this brutal farce is serving. We all know whose arse is being kissed.

And if you must know, our role should be the promotion of peace and international law - one that respects the sovereignty of others. One that says that the West cannot merely pick and choose who is to live, and who is to die.


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Coyote
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posted 29 January 2007 08:03 PM      Profile for Coyote   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But this thread is about Iraq. sorry for the hijack.
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Boom Boom
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posted 29 January 2007 08:22 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just don't say "hi, Jack" when you see him on the plane.
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