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audra trower williams
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posted 12 November 2004 05:34 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is anyone attached to any? What about when you were growing up?
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swirrlygrrl
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posted 12 November 2004 06:50 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fictional? Like Trixie Belden and Morag Gunn? Or as in, when I got older, I discovered that their feminism had been fictional?
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skdadl
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posted 12 November 2004 09:51 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It wasn't that they were role models -- I'm not sure I believe in those.

But almost all the women in really good fiction are real women, not princesses or goddesses but flawed (like me) and therefore interesting.

The Annes and Emilys -- plain, but with imaginations! -- and later the Elizabeth Bennets and Emmas and Dorotheas helped me for a long time to survive a real world wherein women lived lies, where the ideal girl was a cheerleader who acquired a football player for a boyfriend and grew up to marry Father Knows Best.

The real-world feminine models I knew were the fictions, the lies. The girls and women in the novels were much more like me. I don't think that I modelled myself on any one of them, but serious fiction taught me more about truth than my own popular culture and society did. And it was probably the authentic, flawed humanity of the women in those novels that was my first path in to understanding and caring about art.

In real life, we lie all the time. Great fiction is great because it slices through and past the lies. Fiction is much truer than real life.

Did the great women characters of C19-C20 novels become role models for me? No -- but they taught me my life's work; they were part of what drew me into believing in the truth of imaginative writing.


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posted 12 November 2004 10:23 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read a lot of books aimed at children and as far as I recall the girls tended to be tomboys and many of them had horses, sometimes dogs [which I did not]; there were a lot of orphans too, to the point where it seemed romantic to be one.

From a different angle, most of the children's books were written by British or American authors; there was one Australian girl who had horses and a dingo. I was quite startled while reading a fantasy by Catherine Anthony Clark to realise it was set in Canada. This was before Berton wrote about Ogg and before Monica Hughes as far as I know. [I've read many children's books since I grew up, too.]


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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 14 November 2004 12:14 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anne Shirley is my hero. I'm so lucky to have had daughters so that I've had the opportunity to get to know her.
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smllinv
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posted 14 November 2004 04:21 AM      Profile for smllinv     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
margaret laurence's many heroines
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remind
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posted 14 November 2004 06:27 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually having thought about this at length, my earliest female so called feminist fictional heroine would be Nancy Drew.

Past that, I looked for and found real feminist models like Boadicea, Florence Nightengale, Emma, Jean de Arc, Madame Currie, and my mother.


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Anchoress
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posted 14 November 2004 07:08 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jaimie Sommers. Favourite quote: "Trust you? I trust you about as far as I can throw you. Um, on second thought, not that far."

Princess Leia. Favourite quote: "Governor Tarkin. I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash. I detected your foul stench when I was brought on board."


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Rush
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posted 15 November 2004 01:26 AM      Profile for Rush     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Daria Morgendorffer considered a fictional feminist role model?

quote:

Daria: Don't worry. I don't have low self-esteem. It's a mistake.
Jake: I'll say.
Daria: I have low esteem for everyone else.


I watched this show back when I was in high school, on YTV.


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posted 15 November 2004 02:04 AM      Profile for BLAKE 3:16     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They're quite anit-heroic, but my favourite 20th century English language characters are in Jane Bowles magnificent stories and her fabulous novel, Two Serious Ladies.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 15 November 2004 07:57 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about Pippi Longstocking?
Did what she liked, tossed all the big men around, broke all the rules, lived independently! Some of her dialogue with patronizing establishment figures is just priceless!
Astrid Lindgren rules.

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steffie
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posted 15 November 2004 08:09 PM      Profile for steffie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yup. Pippi rocks. As well, I read "Harriet The Spy" as a young girl, and identified with her. I'm not sure why, exactly, but it we shared the same fascination with watching people and writing in a private journal.

Given a choice between these two, I'd still have to go with Pippilotta Delicatessa Windowshade Mackrelmint Eprhraim's Daughter Longstocking.


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remind
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posted 16 November 2004 01:04 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yes, absolutely forgot about Pippy on Saturday mornings.


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Originally posted by Rufus Polson:
How about Pippi Longstocking?
Did what she liked, tossed all the big men around, broke all the rules, lived independently! Some of her dialogue with patronizing establishment figures is just priceless!
Astrid Lindgren rules.


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