Who was this racist?

Warning this HF link is to a White Supremecist Site

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[ 14 April 2005: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]

"Springtime for Zündel
in Germany...

Curtains for Dröge perchance?"....

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
Rufus Polson is making idiotic bleatings about the Droege killing over at free dominion.

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Y'know, I'd really appreciate it if you'd put in a qualifier there.
Like "The fake" Rufus Polson, or "The scumbucket with a sick idea of a joke pseudo-" Rufus Polson or something like that. People around here, especially new ones, might get the wrong idea otherwise, like that it was actually me.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
"The fake" Rufus Polson is making idiotic bleatings about the Droege killing over at free dominion.

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Well, let's just say I won't be crying at the funeral.

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I would think that attending his funeral would be a quick and sure way to get a CSIS file opened on yourself. And if they have to have a picture of you then ya, no sense in it being of you bawling over a seedy little klansman like this. Imagine that pic ending up in the paper some day: "Doug is seen weeping uncontrollably over the untimely passing of a notorious racist he didn't even know in this file photo".

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Originally posted by Rufus Polson:

Y'know, I'd really appreciate it if you'd put in a qualifier there.
Like "The fake" Rufus Polson, or "The scumbucket with a sick idea of a joke pseudo-" Rufus Polson or something like that. People around here, especially new ones, might get the wrong idea otherwise, like that it was actually me.

Thanks awfully.

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A babble joke?

[ 14 April 2005: Message edited by: lagatta ]

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:

Sorry about that, I hadn't realised you'd been the victim of cyber-identity theft. Have you complained to Connie?

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[ 14 April 2005: Message edited by: dokidoki ]

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Back to Droege, any news on motive or accused?

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It sounds like a neighbour or roommate.
No word on motive.

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remind:
Ya, you gotta love his the "anti-racists" are far more violence prone and dangerous than any 'neo-nazi's' or far right. While springer is calling for separation and saying how good it is amongst principled people.

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That's a silly statement for sure. However certain anti-racists are kina violent in response to them. I find the tactics of groups like ARA to be very counter productive. Particularly from the anarchists in those groups. They're basically feeding an ideology which lives off of violence. And they don't get that they should be fighting the effects of rightwing social conditions that lead people to that type of ideology. How many leftist types are willing to really talk that politcally incorrect white person for example who could be subversively taken in by the David Duke types.

According to Droege's buddy Marc Lemire, the assailant's name is Keith and he is the boyfriend of a woman who Droege has known for years.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Droege's short but illustrous career as a Reform Party security guard.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Droege's short but illustrous career as a Reform Party security guard.

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Isn't it odd, how racist, white supremacist types often seem to be attracted to the Reform/Reformatory party.

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Originally posted by fern hill:

I heard on CBC radio this ayem that he had worked as a court bailiff. Someone with a criminal record can be a court bailiff?

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Vigilante, you don't like anyone on the left, do you? Not anarchists, who are street fighters and "violent", not Marxists - "vanguardists" - or even if not vanguardist, in thrall to "mass movements", and I suppose social-democrats are "statists".

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I don't hate them. I agree with them retoric wise on more things then the right obviously. But it's the consistant losing tactics that I don't care for. I don't nessesarily have a problem with street fighting, but do it against the right people. I am for Diversity of Tactics in the end, but I will call out something that I don't care for. As for Vanguardists,I see no reason why they won't recreate the mistakes of the 20th century. Certain people here(cough Todd) Seem to say, 'oh we should just give it another go, trial and error' no thanks. And I think the 'mass' thing is a problem. People are too different to be swept up into some big movement.And when leaders like Lula apply this strategy it usually entails shaking hands with someone like Gadhafi or shacking up to China. All for the sake of taking on the US while in the process of doing this informally negating liberation movements in that particular country who wouldn't mind a Lula type as opposed to a Gadhafi. That to me is what mass movement tactics can entail. As for Social-democrats, get some reforms in, have them obliterated later.

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Originally posted by skdadl:
Stunning link, Scott.

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http://tinyurl.com/6kmhu
Let me start out by being very clear on one point. I absolutely do not support or condone shooting people as a way of solving problems. Whoever did this should face whatever legal consequences are appropriate. As is also legally appropriate, motivation should be taken into account if it comes to sentencing.

I'd like to share why this headline grabbed my attention. A number of years ago, when I was working in the children's mental health field, I had a very angry 14 year old boy in one of my programmes. He had suffered a number of significant losses, most recently his grandfather who had been an important, and I guess the last solid male role model in his life.

Through people he met on the street he ended up running into Wolfgang Droege, and began hanging around the white supremist movement. Wolfgang became a mentor to him. He used to threaten me with calls from Wolfgang when I called him on such behavior as wearing Klan emblems to school. He was developing a hatred for Blacks, Jews, the "Mud Races", and all the usual groups whom he blamed for all his problems.

I thought the real reason for relative success among the Heritage Front was some kind of state sponsorship. The cops dropped an organizer into the group, and, if I am not mistaken, gave him monetary support.

I distinctly had the impression that the RCMP had a role in the creation and success of the group.

I always got the feeling that Bristow and perhaps his CSIS operatives played the same sort of game. Helping build up the Front in order to make them enough of a threat to justify more state resources in combatting it and, in the case of Bristow, making himself more important and more valuable to CSIS (after all, if the HF wasn't a threat, why bother pouring money into Bristow's bank account) while at the same time betraying his friends in the HF to CSIS.

No informer ever got rich by telling his operator that the group he's infiltrated isn't a threat.

Of course, these days Bristow downplays any illegal activity he might have engaged in and plays up his role in restraining the group from even greater violence. But I got the impression from the Walrus article that he was dancing around the facts to a degree.

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But I also agree with Mccroft...I mean aka Mycroft..that there is an uneasy symbiosis between informers and their groups.

The last thing the informer wants is for the group to fail.

So, they go the extra yard to keep propping it up.
I believe that the informer admitted at one time that he was doing substantial free xeroxing and similar organizational activities using his CSIS money, didn't he?

I wasn't sure what to think. The Walrus article was definitely very sympathetic towards Bristow, which I actually thought was good considering that it sounds like he got a really rough ride about his spying stint with the Front.

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Acquaintance of Heritage Front leader charged with second degree murder

TORONTO (CP) -- An acquaintance of notorious white supremacist Wolfgang Droege has been charged with second-degree murder in connection with his shooting, sources told The Canadian Press on Thursday.

Two sources identified the accused as Keith Deroux, 44, of Toronto.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
The problem with informers is that they tend to do things to make themselves indispensable to their operators either by exaggerating the importance of the group they've infiltrated or helping to make it more of a threat than it woud otherwise be by acting as a provocateur (this can be done both to provoke indivduals into doing things that will get themselves arrested or actually making the group more of a threat in order to justify more resources from the state in combatting it -- I seem to recall the McDonald commission finding that either the RCMP or the Montreal police were doing things like planting bombs in mailboxes after the October Crisis in order to obtain more resources to fight an FLQ that was already defunct).

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Perhaps the most historically disastrous example of this phenomenon was when the Weimar republic sent Adolf Hitler to keep infiltrate and tabs on the microscopic Nazi Party in the mid twenties.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
I suspect it's all a hoax by the Jews.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
I'm not convinced Droege is really dead. I suspect it's all a hoax by the Jews.

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Originally posted by johnpauljones:

Not a joke and not funny.

The sad thing is this quote is similar to the sort of filth that Droege himself used to say.

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Well that is the point, isn't it.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
Well that is the point, isn't it.

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Sorry I do not see any reason why you even made the joke.

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Originally posted by johnpauljones:

Sorry I do not see any reason why you even made the joke.

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The guy spent much of his life "denying" an undeniable fact. Your self-righteousness is misplaced.

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I think the joke was unnecessary period full stop and commented on it.

Droege "love triangle" probed by police

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Originally posted by Doug:
This headline about it is one of the best ever!

Droege "love triangle" probed by police

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Originally posted by Doug:
This headline about it is one of the best ever!

Droege "love triangle" probed by police

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For years he stood for hate, but in the end notorious white supremacist Wolfgang Droege may have died for love.

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Chumbawamba: Enough Is Enough (Kick It Over) MP3

Lyrics

OR

ASIAN DUB FOUNDATION — Th9 Lyrics

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In the lyrics of this song it is clear that we are looking at anarchists identifying evreything as fascist. Take this line for example:

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Every institution in this city, right
Is prejudiced against us

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My God when you make those kinds of judgements coupled with calls for violence and murder, well its a not a call to overthrow fascism, its a call to revolution against the system, agaisnt everything. Its a call to chaos and murder in my books.

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What's wrong with a revolution against the system?

And I think it's important to have a foucauldian view of fascism as being deeply imbedded in individuals. Recognizing and fighting that should make for a freer society for human life and life in general.

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Originally posted by Macabee:
Sorry Lagatta but those songs were specific to a time...My God when you make those kinds of judgements coupled with calls for violence and murder, well its a not a call to overthrow fascism, its a call to revolution against the system, agaisnt everything. Its a call to chaos and murder in my books.

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Ca ira.

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Originally posted by Vigilante:

What's wrong with a revolution against the system?

And I think it's important to have a foucauldian view of fascism as being deeply imbedded in individuals. Recognizing and fighting that should make for a freer society for human life and life in general.

Though I don't have such a manichean view of fascism as many of my fellow anarchists do.

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This is just another excuse for planned violence in the guise of anarchy. And in fact it is no better than the plans in the sick mind of the late Wolfgang Droege and his ilk.

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Mycroft, you said something way back about the RCMP (CSIS?) perhaps planting mailbox bombs after the October Crisis, as a way of keeping alive the fear of the FLQ in people's minds, even though the FLQ was at that point finished.

The barn burning took place in 1972 and it was supposed to prevent a meeting between two FLQ members and the Black Panthers. This was the incident that led to the MacDonald Commission which recommended that the Mounties be removed from the intelligence business and that CSIS be created for that function.

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Originally posted by skdadl:
*warning: pedantry*

Mycroft, you said something way back about the RCMP (CSIS?) perhaps planting mailbox bombs after the October Crisis, as a way of keeping alive the fear of the FLQ in people's minds, even though the FLQ was at that point finished.

I can well believe that the RCMP continued playing all sorts of clumsy games like that (burning down barns, eg), but in my memory the mailbox bombings were all early sixties, all pre-dated October 1970, and were the work of pre-FLQ groups -- the RIN? the RN? (I'm remembering Hubert Aquin going to jail when he was caught with bomb-making stuff -- and he really had the stuff, too.)

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I recall reading a few years ago that either the RCMP or the Montreal Police conducted activities in the 1970s it blamed on the defunct FLQ in order to justify continuted allocation of resources for anti-FLQ efforts. I thought the article I read mentioned a fake mailbox bombing incident but I could be wrong. There are a number of post-McDonald Commission books on the RCMP you might want to check out.

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As the story goes when Droege returned to Canada he hooked up with his old friend Donny then proceeded to have an affair with Nicola. Various bouts of Andrews sending thugs to pummel Droege followed by Droege doing likewise ended as all White Supremacist love triangles ...no one spoke to each other for a while. Later Droege, as the story goes partnered with Nicola and though they eventually parted remained "close" till his death.

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Wolfgang Droege was born in 1949 in Forchheim, Bavaria and came to Canada in 1952.

I met him in a 1970's upscale disco — he was well-dressed, soft-spoken and set in his Germanic views. After many discussions he became a hanger-on/lieutenant in the Western Guard that I led. He was common-sensical, easygoing and snobbish towards all üntermeunchen. Unhappy with the lower-economic scale membership of the Guard, he was quick to affiliate himself with the high-flying David Duke of the Ku Klux Klan.

I sent him to the Caribbean island nation of Dominica to set up a base for an attack on the Marxist-controlled (New Jewel Movement) island of Grenada, but instead he made links with American criminal elements and secretly plotted to overthrow the Dominican Government with a mercenary invasion, supposedly to make it a Mecca for White Nationalists and drug dealers. This attempt was thwarted by loose talk and government agents, and he was arrested in what was to be known as the "Bayou Of Pigs" fiasco.

After serving some time in prison he returned to Canada, and. using his David Duke connections, started a Canadian branch of the KKK under the leadership of another lieutenant of the Western Guard former Toronto Sun 'Sunshine Boy' Alexander McQuirter. When McQuirter was convicted of the attempted murder of a rival Klan member, the Klan collapsed.

Soon after, Wolfgang served six years in the notorious U.S. Federal prison in Lompoc, California. Upon his return, the Western Guard had morphed into the Nationalist Party of Canada, and Wolfgang was invited to join a free trip to Libya with seventeen other NPC members, where he conspired with phony NPC member Grant Bristow (hired by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service to infiltrate the White Nationalist movement) to form the Heritage Front in Canada. It truly was a 'front', a routine move by the authorities to monitor and control dissidents in a sandbox. This time, he was the window dressing-leader of a "White Rights" group.

With the help of CSIS agent Bristow, over $250,000 of taxpayers' money was pumped into the phony Front, while they aimed to besmirch the reputation of White Nationalist ideology by attacking and harassing street punks and suicidally-deluded anti-racist activists. After five years the Front was exposed by the same Mark Bonokoski who reported — the day after Ernst Zündel was deported from Canada to Germany — that he was a Jew by birth (see the article "The Jewish Card" March 2 Toronto Sun). Wolfgang once told me that reaching "success" was more important than how one got there.

After many scrapes with the law on bail conditions, it was arranged for Wolfgang to step down from the Heritage Front, handing the mothballed organization to a confederate. To my knowledge, he never recognized any of the efforts and activities of the Nationalist Party and its members, preferring to pay lip service to amorphous, "racialist" organizations and figures like Ernst Zündel and David Duke (who was recently released from prison on a plea bargain agreement with the U.S. authorities for a 17-month sentence for mail fraud and promising never to run for public office again).

Many people questioned the ease with which Wolfgang crossed borders and purportedly dealt in drugs. He was never without a giant bankroll of high-denomination bills which he was proud to display. He was generous to kids with candy and money and to strippers with sob stories, a swashbuckling New Canadian who often talked about suicide and the futility of life and a general disdain for the unwashed masses. He was a gentle man in spite of his reputation, with plenty of secrets, who was eager to pick peoples' minds for information and ideology.

He was gunned down by a methadone Mick Jagger wannabe, a product of Whorehouse North America (sex, drugs and rock 'n roll). Wolfgang Droege will be missed. He was a one-of-a-kind. I'm sure that he's pleased with all the attentive media coverage.

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Originally posted by Macabee:
If I recall this woman is Nicola Polinuk one time lover of that other waco racist Don Andrews.

As the story goes when Droege returned to Canada he hooked up with his old friend Donny then proceeded to have an affair with Nicola. Various bouts of Andrews sending thugs to pummel Droege followed by Droege doing likewise ended as all White Supremacist love triangles ...no one spoke to each other for a while. Later Droege, as the story goes partnered with Nicola and though they eventually parted remained "close" till his death.

Can't verify this but it is honest to god apcraphyl within certain circles.

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This remainds me of that Doctor Who story that had rival gangs of Daleks, one led by Davros, hunting each other down and yelling "Exterminate!" as Daleks are prone to do.

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Originally posted by aka Mycroft:

This remainds me of that Doctor Who story that had rival gangs of Daleks, one led by Davros, hunting each other down and yelling "Exterminate!" as Daleks are prone to do.

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