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Topic: Religion - Christianity - apperently I'm going to hell.
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Pellaken1
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posted 24 October 2004 09:40 AM
http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/tough/tough7.htmlhttp://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B3:16 this was sparked by a little promo I saw on CNN, with this little 7 year old girl saying "anyone who does not beleive is jesus is going to hell" so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever. remember King Hussien of Jordan? died of cancer, tried real hard to bring peace to the middle east? yea, he's gonna be torturned for the rest of eternity for his work. Jerry Sienfield, he's gonna pay too. Remember Ghandi? Gave his life for peace and justice? yup, he's gonna spend the rest of eternity in constant, endless, tortureous pain because he was not a christian. what a kind, loving god
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MacD
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posted 24 October 2004 11:57 AM
Heresy!! quote: It’s not enough for God just to want to forgive us; something objective had to be done to cancel our sins.
Does this not imply that God is NOT omnipotent?
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NDP Newbie
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posted 24 October 2004 12:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pellaken1: http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/tough/tough7.htmlhttp://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B3:16 this was sparked by a little promo I saw on CNN, with this little 7 year old girl saying "anyone who does not beleive is jesus is going to hell" so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever. remember King Hussien of Jordan? died of cancer, tried real hard to bring peace to the middle east? yea, he's gonna be torturned for the rest of eternity for his work. Jerry Sienfield, he's gonna pay too. Remember Ghandi? Gave his life for peace and justice? yup, he's gonna spend the rest of eternity in constant, endless, tortureous pain because he was not a christian. what a kind, loving god
CNN or CBN? lol
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skdadl
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posted 24 October 2004 12:43 PM
TAT is Today's Active Topics. Some of us follow babble through TAT. (Look to the upper right of your home page.) I don't fully understand why, but sometimes some URLs that are ok on the individual threads as is are none the less causing sidescroll on TAT, until someone posts a testing testing, as I did -- and then everything is ok. Other times, sidescroll is just sidescroll, and somebody has got to cut back that URL. I don't know why, but my posting above cured TAT. pogge or Wingy will be along shortly to explain.
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Erstwhile
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posted 26 October 2004 02:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pellaken1:
so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever.
That's only a problem if you weren't goin' there anyway.
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Pellaken1
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posted 26 October 2004 04:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gir Draxon: I'm a professed Christian, but in the eyes of many "Christians", still going to hell. Mainly due to my highly immoral opinions on social issues.Point is, Pelly, why give a rat's ass if some some fundamentalist whackjob tells you you're going to hell? Your soul is your own business, not that of the modern day pharisees.
because the number of fundamentalist whackjobs make their view, mainstream.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 26 October 2004 04:54 PM
quote: because the number of fundamentalist whackjobs make their view, mainstream.
Only in the United States. Not only are they not mainstream in Canada, they're very high on the list of people you wouldn't want a relative marrying, far above traditional targets of prejudice like Jews and Blacks, and roughly equal with newer ones like Muslims. Among non-religious Canadians under 30, 32% said they would be uncomfortable if a close relative were to marry a fundamentalist Christian. This compares to 11% who'd feel that way about an atheist, 13% for a Muslim, 9% for a Jew or 5% for a Black person. Among religious people (attending church once a month or more), young and old, Canadians are far more comfortable with a close relative marrying a Jewish or Black person than a fundamentalist Christian. (Older people are more likely to be uncomfortable with a close relative marrying a Muslim or atheist, and religious people regardless of age are more likely to not want their relatives marrying atheists) (Source: Go to http://www.cric.ca/en_re/analys and scroll down to the link titled "A New Canada? The Evolution of Canadian Identity and Attitudes to Diversity" which is a Powerpoint presentation.) [ 26 October 2004: Message edited by: RealityBites ]
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 26 October 2004 05:02 PM
Him and "Ceasar", of salad fame.What's often amused me about religions is that in so many ways they insist on being exclusive of one another, such that (if you believe any of them to be correct) they're right and everyone else is going to Hell. If you're a Catholic, don't get too close with your Jewish friends... they'll be in Hell. If you're Protestant, ask your Muslim friends if you can have their television when they go to Hell. Heck, even the normally friendly Buddhist types will tell you that if you don't meditate and seek inner peace then you'll come back as a platypus with a bad hip... their own version of Hell. And of course Atheists, by definition, are going to Hell, or at any rate aren't going to Heaven. I've also always been fascinated wonder who the last poor schlub was that got burned for eating meat on a Friday. One day it's a mortal sin, the next you get an existential parking ticket for it. That's gotta suck. Finally, Jehovah's Witnesses, who believe Heaven is like a big egg crate in the sky with room for 144,000 (a dozen dozen thousand) pure souls. But with millions of them alive on earth at any given time, what's the real probability of getting one of those slots? Probably more likely you'll end up in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame than a Heaven that could take the population of Peterborough, max. Why bust your ass with all that door-to-door when you're just going to end up on the waiting list? "Why this is Hell, nor am I out of it" - Dr. Faustus
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Karam Mohamad sdfdf
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posted 26 October 2004 05:56 PM
Apparently Satan beleaves in Jesus. Somewhere it says that. But I guess that's not good enough.The whole concept of getting to heaven is WAY to simple: according to protestants, all u have to do is accept that we are idiots & screw up morally, accept that Jesus is God in the flesh, & decide to change the way we do things (check out harpazo.net/nogood.html about the way these people work the concept out). If we could actually get to heaven by doing good things, we'd all be working our asses off, & everone would be giving of them selves so much, everything we own would be from someone else. If getting to heaven means being a good person, the competition to be nice to everyone would be unbearable. That's the shittiest theory that religion has ever come up with, & from what my Baptist neighbour tells me, is bullshit that isn't even found in the bible. According to this site, its all about the Christian God forgiving his people, rather than accepting them just because they're nice to people. www.myweb.cableone.net/raiderjr/not_of_works.htm I hope this research that i did helps you. Now that i think of it, Protestant spirituality seems alot more simple.
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fuslim
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posted 26 October 2004 08:48 PM
From an old Air Farce routine:A: What religion are you? Protestant or Catholic? B: Neither. A: But you must be. B: No, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God. A: Okay, which God do you not believe in, the Protestant or the Catholic? B: Uh...Protestant, I guess. A: There, you see, you're Catholic!
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djwright44
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posted 26 October 2004 10:14 PM
glad to hear you put so much trust into what a 7 year old states. As a Christian, I do believe that Jesus is the only way to return to Heaven, but I would never suggest that if someone doesn't that there is only hell and punishment. A contradiction?? Not at all; since God loves everyone so much, there will be opportunity to accept him after this life. Yes, there are Christian zealots like every other religion and they are annoying. FYI; the foundations of Canada and the US are all Chritianity. Every penny you pay and every anthem you sing are proof to that.
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 26 October 2004 10:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by djwright44: Yes, there are Christian zealots like every other religion and they are annoying.
To quote A Taste of Honey in the disco classic "Boogie Oogie Oogie" quote: let me tell ya: you are no exception to the rule
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Jesse Dignity
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posted 27 October 2004 01:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Phileas Fop: I don’t think that any member of an advanced civilization regards religion as anything more than a crutch required by the physically or mentally feeble,
Bullshit. I don't personally think much of religion, but I can tell you for certain that many members of this "advanced" civilization have more respect for it than I do. Full-fledged members. Card-carrying. Smart people. quote: A parallel situation might be guns. What to do when in the hands of the irresponsible the benign becomes lethal?
When is a gun benign!? It only has the one purpose!
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Gir Draxon
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posted 27 October 2004 02:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Phileas Fop: I don’t think that any member of an advanced civilization regards religion as anything more than a crutch required by the physically or mentally feeble, so in these instances if it’s a comfort to them why not let them live their delusion
Wow, you need a medical operation. An arrogance reduction.
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Loony Bin
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posted 27 October 2004 02:23 PM
I tend to feel the same way about organized religion that teh fopster appears to. I don't think it has any purpose except for explaining the things folks don't want to have to figure out (or not figure otu) for themselves, for making life easier and more logical than it would be if we were all to muddle through it with only each other and our selves as our guides. It's for people who can't decipher right from wrong on their own, or who can't keep their lives together without some external motivation.And it's for people who are afraid of being alone, meaning nothing, and not mattering to anyone. And who isn't, I guess, but I'm willing to accept that far more readily than that there's some omnipotent power orchestrating the universe and judging my every move and thought, who'll decide after I die if I'm worthy. I'm just an animal like the rest of the people on the planet. I have to create and judge my own worth, and prove myself worthy only to me. Religion gives people license to be lazy and complacent about their purpose or the meaning of their lives. And no, I'm not talking about Mother Theresa or Ghandi, because they were extraordinary from the inside out. I'm talking about the average, regular person who figures they don't need to do anything with their lives as long as they don't trespass against their fellows. "It'll all be okay after I die, as long as I don't fuck up while I'm alive". No thanks. I'd rather live while I'm alive.
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Stargazer
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posted 27 October 2004 11:07 PM
Well, see, I had this pamplet handed to me on the street a couple weeks ago. It was called 'The Burning Hell' and they told me I was heading there and there wouldn't even be one drop of water. Just thousands of souls burning in hell - forever. I think you maybe missed my joke. [ 27 October 2004: Message edited by: stargazer ]
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Reality. Bites.
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posted 27 October 2004 11:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by stargazer: they told me I was heading there and there wouldn't even be one drop of water.
And you wanted to exercise? Mind you, if they have a gym they probably have Gatorade, so not a bad idea. Which one did you get? http://www.burninghell.com/eng/index.html or http://tinyurl.com/42ssc One day in HELL, you will not have to be bothered by some Christian trying to give you a gospel tract. Neither will you have to worry about a soul winner knocking on your door and inviting you to go to church. No sir, but you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up, each kind word from a mother, preacher, or Christian friend pleading with you to be saved. You too, will one day be like the rich man you just read about in LUKE 16:23 & 24. You will be crying, and begging for one drop of water to cool your scorching tongue. But it will be too late!
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George Olds
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posted 28 October 2004 02:39 PM
"you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up"Um, gospel is supposed to mean "good news". I hardly see how threatening people with eternal hell fire and damnation is in any way good news. The tracts I've seen are puerile, ahte-filled diatribes an dnothing more.
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Pellaken1
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posted 28 October 2004 03:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by George Olds: "you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up"Um, gospel is supposed to mean "good news". I hardly see how threatening people with eternal hell fire and damnation is in any way good news. The tracts I've seen are puerile, ahte-filled diatribes an dnothing more.
its good news because if you dont think it's good news your going to hell. its like Stalinism, only less red
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Contrarian
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posted 28 October 2004 03:23 PM
Evidence that Jesus was black:He called people "Brothers". He liked Gospel. He couldn't get a fair trial.
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