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Pellaken1
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posted 24 October 2004 09:40 AM      Profile for Pellaken1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/tough/tough7.html

http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B3:16

this was sparked by a little promo I saw on CNN, with this little 7 year old girl saying "anyone who does not beleive is jesus is going to hell"

so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever.

remember King Hussien of Jordan? died of cancer, tried real hard to bring peace to the middle east?
yea, he's gonna be torturned for the rest of eternity for his work.

Jerry Sienfield, he's gonna pay too.

Remember Ghandi? Gave his life for peace and justice?
yup, he's gonna spend the rest of eternity in constant, endless, tortureous pain because he was not a christian.

what a kind, loving god


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posted 24 October 2004 09:44 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think I can fix TAT if I post like this -- testing, testing.
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posted 24 October 2004 11:57 AM      Profile for MacD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Heresy!!

quote:
It’s not enough for God just to want to forgive us; something objective had to be done to cancel our sins.

Does this not imply that God is NOT omnipotent?


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posted 24 October 2004 12:27 PM      Profile for NDP Newbie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Pellaken1:
http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/tough/tough7.html

http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=JOHN%2B3:16

this was sparked by a little promo I saw on CNN, with this little 7 year old girl saying "anyone who does not beleive is jesus is going to hell"

so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever.

remember King Hussien of Jordan? died of cancer, tried real hard to bring peace to the middle east?
yea, he's gonna be torturned for the rest of eternity for his work.

Jerry Sienfield, he's gonna pay too.

Remember Ghandi? Gave his life for peace and justice?
yup, he's gonna spend the rest of eternity in constant, endless, tortureous pain because he was not a christian.

what a kind, loving god


CNN or CBN? lol


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skdadl
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posted 24 October 2004 12:31 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
testing, testing ... sidescroll on TAT ...
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posted 24 October 2004 12:38 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
What's "TAT?"
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skdadl
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posted 24 October 2004 12:43 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
TAT is Today's Active Topics.

Some of us follow babble through TAT. (Look to the upper right of your home page.)

I don't fully understand why, but sometimes some URLs that are ok on the individual threads as is are none the less causing sidescroll on TAT, until someone posts a testing testing, as I did -- and then everything is ok.

Other times, sidescroll is just sidescroll, and somebody has got to cut back that URL.

I don't know why, but my posting above cured TAT.

pogge or Wingy will be along shortly to explain.


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posted 24 October 2004 12:49 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post
Oh...duh. I couldn't figure out the acronym, although I have come across it. I'm not seeing the same sidescroll you are, but then again, I've rarely been plagued with it. Both computers I have have fairly wide-monitors. And maybe screen resolution has something to do with it.
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posted 24 October 2004 03:17 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
Oh...duh. I couldn't figure out the acronym, although I have come across it. I'm not seeing the same sidescroll you are, but then again, I've rarely been plagued with it. Both computers I have have fairly wide-monitors. And maybe screen resolution has something to do with it.

I'm going to hell. I've only been to church once. I was four or five. I believe the Bible is a completely illogical text(Moses parting the Red Sea, come on)
I believe homosexuality is entirely natural and that you should be able to talk to a woman who is wearing shorts.
I believe that religious law should not be used in a secular society and that George Bush and the Pope are both reactionary fuckpumps. Yeah, I'm going to burn.

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I have a couple of thoughts:

1) I believe that I should only comment on the state of my own soul. Comments about Ghandi or anyone else are inappropriate.

2) If Christendom used all of the money from ads like that, and similar misadventures, and put it into the service of those in need, the reputation of the church would be much improved.


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its not christianity that me, and a hell of alot of other people, are at odds with, its you saying that all non-christians are going to burn in hell for not beleiving in jesus. its only really a protestant thing, the catholic church is not as strict.
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St.Luke is that you? [Oh btw the comment is in regards to the strange proliferation of religious related threads recently and since 'Saint Luke' is in on it why not talk about it more -- it's just an observation]

[ 24 October 2004: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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posted 24 October 2004 05:51 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I don't fully understand why, but sometimes some URLs that are ok on the individual threads as is are none the less causing sidescroll on TAT...

It's the combination of the two links with no space in between. When the TAT page is rendered it doesn't treat the line breaks as spaces so, in this case for example, the two urls look like one long character string with no break in it and it throws the formatting out of whack.


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posted 24 October 2004 08:38 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Pellaken1:
its only really a protestant thing, the catholic church is not as strict.

Suggest you do your homework on the creeds and confessions of the Catholic church, Pell. You might not find them buying air time, but these are the guys that brought you the fine art of burning heretics to their "true faith" at the stake -- including those Protestants who dared to speak against the church or translate the Bible to the vernacular. These days, the resort to denying people communion and threatening them with excommunication from their "true faith."


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Gir Draxon
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I'm a professed Christian, but in the eyes of many "Christians", still going to hell. Mainly due to my highly immoral opinions on social issues.

Point is, Pelly, why give a rat's ass if some some fundamentalist whackjob tells you you're going to hell? Your soul is your own business, not that of the modern day pharisees.


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posted 26 October 2004 02:59 PM      Profile for Erstwhile     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Pellaken1:

so apperently, because I dont beleive in jesus, I'm gonna go to hell and burn forever and ever.


That's only a problem if you weren't goin' there anyway.


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posted 26 October 2004 03:16 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Or as my great-grandmother said, "At least I'll have my children with me."
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Pellaken1
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posted 26 October 2004 04:31 PM      Profile for Pellaken1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Gir Draxon:
I'm a professed Christian, but in the eyes of many "Christians", still going to hell. Mainly due to my highly immoral opinions on social issues.

Point is, Pelly, why give a rat's ass if some some fundamentalist whackjob tells you you're going to hell? Your soul is your own business, not that of the modern day pharisees.


because the number of fundamentalist whackjobs make their view, mainstream.


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posted 26 October 2004 04:35 PM      Profile for gopi     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Perhaps Gandhi is at this moment suffering in the Ironic Punishment Department of hell where he suffers the daily humiliation of having his name mis-spelled.
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because the number of fundamentalist whackjobs make their view, mainstream.

Only in the United States. Not only are they not mainstream in Canada, they're very high on the list of people you wouldn't want a relative marrying, far above traditional targets of prejudice like Jews and Blacks, and roughly equal with newer ones like Muslims.

Among non-religious Canadians under 30, 32% said they would be uncomfortable if a close relative were to marry a fundamentalist Christian. This compares to 11% who'd feel that way about an atheist, 13% for a Muslim, 9% for a Jew or 5% for a Black person.

Among religious people (attending church once a month or more), young and old, Canadians are far more comfortable with a close relative marrying a Jewish or Black person than a fundamentalist Christian. (Older people are more likely to be uncomfortable with a close relative marrying a Muslim or atheist, and religious people regardless of age are more likely to not want their relatives marrying atheists)

(Source: Go to http://www.cric.ca/en_re/analys and scroll down to the link titled "A New Canada? The Evolution of Canadian Identity and Attitudes to Diversity" which is a Powerpoint presentation.)

[ 26 October 2004: Message edited by: RealityBites ]


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Him and "Ceasar", of salad fame.

What's often amused me about religions is that in so many ways they insist on being exclusive of one another, such that (if you believe any of them to be correct) they're right and everyone else is going to Hell. If you're a Catholic, don't get too close with your Jewish friends... they'll be in Hell. If you're Protestant, ask your Muslim friends if you can have their television when they go to Hell. Heck, even the normally friendly Buddhist types will tell you that if you don't meditate and seek inner peace then you'll come back as a platypus with a bad hip... their own version of Hell. And of course Atheists, by definition, are going to Hell, or at any rate aren't going to Heaven.

I've also always been fascinated wonder who the last poor schlub was that got burned for eating meat on a Friday. One day it's a mortal sin, the next you get an existential parking ticket for it. That's gotta suck.

Finally, Jehovah's Witnesses, who believe Heaven is like a big egg crate in the sky with room for 144,000 (a dozen dozen thousand) pure souls. But with millions of them alive on earth at any given time, what's the real probability of getting one of those slots? Probably more likely you'll end up in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame than a Heaven that could take the population of Peterborough, max. Why bust your ass with all that door-to-door when you're just going to end up on the waiting list?

"Why this is Hell, nor am I out of it" - Dr. Faustus


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posted 26 October 2004 05:56 PM      Profile for Karam Mohamad sdfdf   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Apparently Satan beleaves in Jesus. Somewhere it says that. But I guess that's not good enough.

The whole concept of getting to heaven is WAY to simple: according to protestants, all u have to do is accept that we are idiots & screw up morally, accept that Jesus is God in the flesh, & decide to change the way we do things (check out harpazo.net/nogood.html about the way these people work the concept out).

If we could actually get to heaven by doing good things, we'd all be working our asses off, & everone would be giving of them selves so much, everything we own would be from someone else. If getting to heaven means being a good person, the competition to be nice to everyone would be unbearable. That's the shittiest theory that religion has ever come up with, & from what my Baptist neighbour tells me, is bullshit that isn't even found in the bible.

According to this site, its all about the Christian God forgiving his people, rather than accepting them just because they're nice to people.

www.myweb.cableone.net/raiderjr/not_of_works.htm

I hope this research that i did helps you. Now that i think of it, Protestant spirituality seems alot more simple.


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posted 26 October 2004 07:32 PM      Profile for Jesse Dignity   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hell is fan fiction.
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From an old Air Farce routine:

A: What religion are you? Protestant or Catholic?

B: Neither.

A: But you must be.

B: No, I'm an atheist, I don't believe in God.

A: Okay, which God do you not believe in, the Protestant or the Catholic?

B: Uh...Protestant, I guess.

A: There, you see, you're Catholic!


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posted 26 October 2004 10:14 PM      Profile for djwright44     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
glad to hear you put so much trust into what a 7 year old states. As a Christian, I do believe that Jesus is the only way to return to Heaven, but I would never suggest that if someone doesn't that there is only hell and punishment. A contradiction?? Not at all; since God loves everyone so much, there will be opportunity to accept him after this life.

Yes, there are Christian zealots like every other religion and they are annoying.

FYI; the foundations of Canada and the US are all Chritianity. Every penny you pay and every anthem you sing are proof to that.


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quote:
Originally posted by djwright44:
Yes, there are Christian zealots like every other religion and they are annoying.

To quote A Taste of Honey in the disco classic "Boogie Oogie Oogie"

quote:
let me tell ya: you are no exception to the rule

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posted 26 October 2004 11:28 PM      Profile for Loony Bin   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The funny thing about these christians and their heaven is that they're all going to die, just like the rest of us, and won't they be sorry (or not, actually), when they don't end up anywhere by rotting in a casket six feet under.

We all die, we all decompose, and we all go back into mother earth. There's nothing else. That's all.


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Too bad, in a way, since most of the fundies are such appalling excuses for human beings that I have no doubt where there'd be going.
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I don’t think that any member of an advanced civilization regards religion as anything more than a crutch required by the physically or mentally feeble, so in these instances if it’s a comfort to them why not let them live their delusion. It’s only when religion is used as a weapon that it becomes odious.
A parallel situation might be guns.
What to do when in the hands of the irresponsible the benign becomes lethal?

Well the tyranny of the left would smugly have us banish guns as though they were guilty of “original sin” by virtue of being a gun while simultaneously upholding the right of religious zealots in a mistaken concept of universality of freedoms as is their wont, to pour poison into the ears of the susceptible with virtual indemnity


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fop is right: you don't make any sense.
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quote:
Originally posted by Phileas Fop:
I don’t think that any member of an advanced civilization regards religion as anything more than a crutch required by the physically or mentally feeble,

Bullshit. I don't personally think much of religion, but I can tell you for certain that many members of this "advanced" civilization have more respect for it than I do. Full-fledged members. Card-carrying.

Smart people.

quote:
A parallel situation might be guns.
What to do when in the hands of the irresponsible the benign becomes lethal?

When is a gun benign!? It only has the one purpose!


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quote:
Originally posted by Phileas Fop:
I don’t think that any member of an advanced civilization regards religion as anything more than a crutch required by the physically or mentally feeble, so in these instances if it’s a comfort to them why not let them live their delusion

Wow, you need a medical operation.

An arrogance reduction.


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I tend to feel the same way about organized religion that teh fopster appears to. I don't think it has any purpose except for explaining the things folks don't want to have to figure out (or not figure otu) for themselves, for making life easier and more logical than it would be if we were all to muddle through it with only each other and our selves as our guides. It's for people who can't decipher right from wrong on their own, or who can't keep their lives together without some external motivation.

And it's for people who are afraid of being alone, meaning nothing, and not mattering to anyone. And who isn't, I guess, but I'm willing to accept that far more readily than that there's some omnipotent power orchestrating the universe and judging my every move and thought, who'll decide after I die if I'm worthy. I'm just an animal like the rest of the people on the planet. I have to create and judge my own worth, and prove myself worthy only to me. Religion gives people license to be lazy and complacent about their purpose or the meaning of their lives. And no, I'm not talking about Mother Theresa or Ghandi, because they were extraordinary from the inside out. I'm talking about the average, regular person who figures they don't need to do anything with their lives as long as they don't trespass against their fellows. "It'll all be okay after I die, as long as I don't fuck up while I'm alive".

No thanks. I'd rather live while I'm alive.


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Proudly non-religious here.

I sure hope hell has decent gym facilities. Oh and I had better not have to share a locker with Ann Coultier.


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if you were truly non-religious, you would disregard the very notion of hell.
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quote:
It's for people who can't decipher right from wrong on their own, or who can't keep their lives together without some external motivation.

I guess that means that Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Tommy Douglas are both really screwed up, eh?


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Well, see, I had this pamplet handed to me on the street a couple weeks ago. It was called 'The Burning Hell' and they told me I was heading there and there wouldn't even be one drop of water. Just thousands of souls burning in hell - forever.

I think you maybe missed my joke.

[ 27 October 2004: Message edited by: stargazer ]


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quote:
Originally posted by stargazer:
they told me I was heading there and there wouldn't even be one drop of water.

And you wanted to exercise? Mind you, if they have a gym they probably have Gatorade, so not a bad idea.

Which one did you get?

http://www.burninghell.com/eng/index.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/42ssc

One day in HELL, you will not have to be bothered by some Christian trying to give you a gospel tract. Neither will you have to worry about a soul winner knocking on your door and inviting you to go to church. No sir, but you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up, each kind word from a mother, preacher, or Christian friend pleading with you to be saved. You too, will one day be like the rich man you just read about in LUKE 16:23 & 24. You will be crying, and begging for one drop of water to cool your scorching tongue. But it will be too late!


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"you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up"

Um, gospel is supposed to mean "good news". I hardly see how threatening people with eternal hell fire and damnation is in any way good news.

The tracts I've seen are puerile, ahte-filled diatribes an dnothing more.


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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up

That does sound rather like Hell, all right.
Suffering through the trite wording, the idiotic concepts, the smug tone, over and over and over again! AAaaaggghhhh!!


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posted 28 October 2004 03:13 PM      Profile for Pellaken1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by George Olds:
"you will be remembering every gospel sermon you ever heard, every gospel tract that you turned down or tore up"

Um, gospel is supposed to mean "good news". I hardly see how threatening people with eternal hell fire and damnation is in any way good news.

The tracts I've seen are puerile, ahte-filled diatribes an dnothing more.


its good news because if you dont think it's good news your going to hell.

its like Stalinism, only less red


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Evidence that Jesus was black:

He called people "Brothers".

He liked Gospel.

He couldn't get a fair trial.


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