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FlungPup
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posted 30 June 2008 08:51 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Apparently, unless this is a hoax:

"NDP leader JACK LAYTON was a guest speaker at the 30 May 2008 "model Parliament for North America" held in Montreal City Hall last week, organized by the North American Forum on Integration, and also featuring SEPARATIST guest speaker, Gilles Duceppe.

This organization, the North American Forum on Integration, operates from offices at the French University of Montreal on Montreal soil, is co-planning the end of CANADA and of the Canadian Parliament.

But Jack Layton, who pretends to be AGAINST "deep integration" of Canada into the US and Mexico has NEVER told his electorate about this organization or HIS PARTICIPATION IN IT.

Moreover, at his NDP web site, Layton maintains an itinerary of his speeches and events. He was delivering CANADA to the globalists at lunch time on 30 May
2008 for NAFI in Montreal, but he has listed only ONE activity on that same date, when he also delivered a speech to the Canadian Labor Congress. Why has Layton NOT DIVULGED his participation in "continental integration" to his Danforth constituents and to his NDP Party's members all across Canada? Why does Layton maintain an e-mail campaign PRETENDING to oppose "deep integration"
while in fact he is promoting it SECRETLY?

Jack Layton, in Canadian Parliamentary Hansard which he published at his NDP site, accuses Paul Martin of a "hidden agenda" of "deep integration", but Layton himself IS IN ON IT.

WHY HAS JACK LAYTON HIDDEN HIS REAL AGENDA FROM HIS CONSTITUENTS?"

Probably because he's a politician. Or is that too obvious an answer? lol

Anyway there's a blog called "crazyforcanada" with more on this.


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If ever there was a case for the term "TROLL ALERT" this is it.

Any posting that capitalizes the word FRENCH to describe the University of Montreal sounds like it was put together by some rightwing paranoic kooks.


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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
Any posting that capitalizes the word FRENCH to describe the University of Montreal sounds like it was put together by some rightwing paranoic kooks.

I'm sure there's some truth in your alert, but where did you see the word "FRENCH"?


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Voila. Ok it isn't capitalized - but since when is there such a thing as the "French University of Montreal"???

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This organization, the North American Forum on Integration, operates from offices at the French University of Montreal on Montreal soil, is co-planning the end of CANADA and of the Canadian Parliament.

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posted 30 June 2008 09:11 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Flungpoop, it would be nice if you could post some links. This is a serious subject and deserves some serious facts.

BTW, I looked up crazyforcanada and did find a blog. Although I didn't see any mention of this, I did find this nuggget:


quote:
The woman is 54-year-old author, poet and photographer, Kathleen Moore, who plans to sue Queen Elizabeth II in personam to prevent the annexation of Canada to the US and Mexico by 2010 under a new form of government.

Moore believes the process of annexation in fact began in the 1960's with the founding by Cuban dictator Fidel Castro of the FLQ, the Quebec Liberation Front. And yes, it is a little known fact that Canada's "home-grown" terrorist group was not home-grown, but was founded by Communist dictator, Fidel Castro himself. It would therefore appear that the FLQ were merely tools in a Communist attack on the sovereignty of Canada.

Three short months after his overthrow of the Cuban Batista regime in 1959, Castro met Belgian immigrant to Montreal Georges Schoeters at the Montreal Airport, and took him back to Cuba to teach him how to set up Canada's first, and hopefully last, terrorist group.


crazy for canada

Wow, who would have thought Fidel Castro was to blame for the SPP? Even more impressive is the control he exerts over Washington. He's definitely one eeeeevil dude!


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FlungPup
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posted 30 June 2008 09:45 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Troll? Moi? I said it might be a hoax you inbred moron.

Look it up yourselves. I'm too lazy.


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FlungPup
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posted 30 June 2008 09:53 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One Article (and don't crap on me, I have no idea who vivrelecanada is)

participant speakers of NAFI or whatever it is


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remind
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Well I googled the quote and found this:

quote:
Also visit YOUTUBE and look for crazyforcanada where I have posted a video on the SCAM in English and in French. The straight jacket in the video is for a good reason: on 31 October 2007, I was criminally assaulted by municipal POLICE after my landlord changed the locks on my apartment WITHOUT A LEGAL PROCEEDING and confiscated my law books and research notes on the annexation of Canada to the US and Mexico. The Police said, "we think you're a bit mental" because of my web site, HABEAS CORPUS CANADA, and forced me into an ambulance by physical assault, and off to a Hospital, which is SOVIET-STYLE INCARCERATION of this Canadian Sovereignty activist.

Look for my blog: crazyforcanada on the internet for the story on that.

sigh

Here is more about the NAFI in montrael"

http://www.infowars.com/?p=2378

It would seem Jack was there speaking in opposition based upon other googled info I found at NAFI itself, what asshats some people are!

quote:
Friday, 30 of May at noon
Lunch conference with Mr. Jack Layton, MP (Toronto Danforth) and Leader of the New Democratic Party (NDP). Mr. Layton will talk about A better future for working families: Rethinking the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Rethinking NAFTA

Perhaps people should start really researching their attempts to whistleblow, particularily when they are way off base?! Or they are trying to spread propaganda because the NDP appear to be doing well in the polls?


More here:

quote:
Homelessness” Nathan Moulton from Calgary 9/11 Truth took this opportunity to ask Jack about the North American Union and 9/11 Truth.

Has youtube clip

http://mtl911truth.org/2008/04/08/calgary-911-truth-meets-jack-layton/

http://www.realitycheck.typepad.com/


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posted 30 June 2008 09:55 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And btw Fidel is to blame for the SPP. Had there been no communists there would never have been fascists.

cheers and have fun with this one


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posted 30 June 2008 09:57 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Link to these NAFI freaks
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posted 30 June 2008 10:04 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
fascists or fasci? Fascistitis or fascistosis? Hypofascism or hyperfascism?

Ahhh, the ponderables in life. Like why wouldn't Jack mention the engagement?


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remind
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posted 30 June 2008 10:11 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
flungpup, really you are showing just what you are attempting, perhapse this blackening of Jack's real actions is in response to the town hall meetings the NDP are holding about SPP?

http://www.ndp.ca/continentalintegration

and do listen to this speech to the CLC

http://www.ndp.ca/continentalintegration

And the following links to all the NDP is doing regarding NAFTA

http://www.ndp.ca/site/search?np=0&query=NAFTA&button.x=13&button.y=8


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posted 30 June 2008 10:24 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I've attempted nothing but to post something that may or may not be a hoax but that might be of interest here. Also to publicly point out and confess that I'm too lazy to do any fact finding, but rather like most great men of our history, leave it to others. Shoot it down. It means nothing to me. Note the quotations in the post.

Now thanks for the links.


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posted 01 July 2008 03:48 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Isn't that a relief? Good to know people can post what they want, without any sources, and then whine about being too lazy to look anything up, all the while acting superior.

Why not just apologize for your lazy self and say you were wrong? My guess is, you won't be here long anyways.


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At least HurledHound has a rudimentary sense of humour.
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posted 01 July 2008 04:24 AM      Profile for Robert MacBain     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why is anyone even responding to FlungPup?

He/she probably finds this thread more fun than masturbation.


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posted 01 July 2008 08:01 AM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here are the "objectives" of the conference he went to:

"On a general basis, the objectives of NAFI are:

Making the academic world, the public and decision-makers aware of the challenges posed by integration between the three NAFTA countries;
Identifying the elements of the North American agenda which would allow the consolidation and reinforcement of the North American region;
Favouring the creation of North American networks to set the basis for a trilateral dialogue."

Shouldn't he denounce this sort of thing, not go to it?


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posted 01 July 2008 08:03 AM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
More:

"The North American Forum on Integration (NAFI) is a non-profit organization based in Montreal. NAFI, created in 2002, aims to address the issues raised by North American integration as well as identify new ideas and strategies to reinforce the North American region.

Over the first two years of its existence, NAFI organized conferences which brought together government and academic figures as well as business people. The first conference organized by NAFI, entitled “Beyond Free Trade: Strengthening North America” was held in Montreal in March 2003. This conference was attended by 280 people, as well as prominent conference speakers. The second NAFI conference took place in April 2004 in Monterrey (Mexico) and focused on North American energy resources, as well as the creation of a North American energy fund. About 200 participants and conference speakers took part in the conference, among which the former Energy Minister, Mr. Felipe Calderon.

In the following years, NAFI organized an annual North American mock parliament, called the Triumvirate. This innovative event allows a hundred Canadian, American and Mexican university students to better understand the North American dynamic as well as the challenges faced by NAFTA partners. A first edition took place in the Canadian Senate in May 2005, under the presidency of ex-Ambassador Mr. Raymond Chrétien. The second edition took place in the Mexican Senate in May 2006, under the invitation of its president, Senator Enrique Jackson. In May 2007, the Triumvirate will take place in Washington D.C., in the Inter-American Development Bank and American University. A hundred students from fifteen North American universities will participate as legislators, lobbyists and journalists."

Kiss Canada goodbye. Thanks Jack.


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quote:
Originally posted by FlungPup:
Troll? Moi? I said it might be a hoax you inbred moron.

Look it up yourselves. I'm too lazy.


Well, for someone who is "too lazy" to look anything up, you certainly have posted a lot of silliness here. I think you were wrong it writing "it might be a hoax" -- anyone willing to do this much to promote such an idea is only proving that it is a "hoax".


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posted 01 July 2008 08:22 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Robo:
Well, for someone who is "too lazy" to look anything up, you certainly have posted a lot of silliness here. I think you were wrong it writing "it might be a hoax" -- anyone willing to do this much to promote such an idea is only proving that it is a "hoax".

I think the real meaning of; "it might be a hoax" is "I am creating a hoax here hoping the shit I am flinging might stick".

It is amazing that anyone with such a great inability to think cogently, feels superior.


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quote:
Originally posted by FlungPup:
Shouldn't he denounce this sort of thing, not go to it?

Or, perhaps, go to it in order to denounce it? Isn't it more consistent with the NDP's constant position on this issue to be willing to confront those with whom the party disagrees, rather than hiding from the debate as you seem to suggest?


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So it's perfectly fine that Jack goes to this NAFI conference as a guest speaker? A group whose stated objective is "Identifying the elements of the North American agenda which would allow the consolidation and reinforcement of the North American region"

How exactly is does that fit in with the supposed NDP stance on SPP? Again I ask, shouldn't he denounce this conference or participate in it?

[ 01 July 2008: Message edited by: FlungPup ]


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remind
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quote:
Originally posted by the grey:
Or, perhaps, go to it in order to denounce it? Isn't it more consistent with the NDP's constant position on this issue to be willing to confront those with whom the party disagrees, rather than hiding from the debate as you seem to suggest?

Exactly, how do you get an opposing message across to those students taking part in this mock parliament, if you refuse to give it? It would be going ahead, the fake North American parliament comprised of students, without Layton's participation and opposing point of view.

Hiding from the debate, by those who oppose it, would be disasterous for Canadians.

By those standards these people must believe that our parliament be only comprised of those who agree on everything.

Again, it is poor thinking and bad rational skills on the part of those who believe that it would be better to be silent than to participate with a dissenting view.


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posted 01 July 2008 09:15 AM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I said denounce, not be silent.

And these are not students:

"Over the first two years of its existence, NAFI organized conferences which brought together government and academic figures as well as business people. The first conference organized by NAFI, entitled “Beyond Free Trade: Strengthening North America” was held in Montreal in March 2003. This conference was attended by 280 people, as well as prominent conference speakers. The second NAFI conference took place in April 2004 in Monterrey (Mexico) and focused on North American energy resources, as well as the creation of a North American energy fund. About 200 participants and conference speakers took part in the conference, among which the former Energy Minister, Mr. Felipe Calderon."

Although you will need an army of bureaucrats in the not to distant future and universities are the place for that sort of fodder.


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Really you should inform yourself before you attempt propaganda whislteblowing, he spoke at the Triumverate luncheon, the Triumverate being the mock parliament setting taken part in by only students, feel free to read the links I provided and inform yourself!
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Students, janitors, it hardly matter who he spoke to. I read that, thanks. It's just not the issue.
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Yes, actually it is, and what he spoke about is also, the point! Perhaps not to you, but it is for those of us who deal with real facts in the real world, and who are not trying to flog BS.
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Why no mention of it on his website? He goes to Washington DC and admirably defends the needs of labour to future policy makers of a North American Union and makes no mention of it? How selective.

This "Inter-American Development Bank", now there's an interesting lot.

[ 01 July 2008: Message edited by: FlungPup ]


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So he's not really fighting the SPP and these town hall meetings are just a bunch of window dressing? He's bargaining with TPTB hoping to convince them to beat us with a lighter, smaller stick? How noble. Meanwhile Canada gets disolved into a Union where, and assuming it's like the EU, unelected officials run the show and our votes mean squat.
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So what do you think these students are going to do once they've finished playing parliament and start looking for work? Perhaps admininster this constitution they've been working on for years?

NAU Constitution

Is anyone working on an tombstone for Canada? Union of course.


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Three posts in a row from FlungPup -- 10:17, 10:24 and 10:33 -- with no one posting a word in between.

Kind of like an Ode to Oneself


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lol

Goes with the tin hat and the superiority complex I'm supposed to have.


So Robert, am I just being a tin hatted nutjob protectionist freaking out here about something that most people would be glad to know is going on? Is there no concern here (read issue and not this forum) at all?


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Anyone who questions Jack Layton’s lifelong commitment to a strong, independent, Canada, is grossly misinformed.

You can’t use one luncheon speech on one particular day to put into question the hundreds of speeches that he has given over the years in support of Canadian sovereignty and independence.

Jack Layton is a Canadian nationalist. End of story.


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quote:
Originally posted by Robert MacBain:
Anyone who questions Jack Layton’s lifelong commitment to a strong, independent, Canada, is grossly misinformed.

You can’t use one luncheon speech on one particular day to put into question the hundreds of speeches that he has given over the years in support of Canadian sovereignty and independence.

Jack Layton is a Canadian nationalist. End of story.


Thank you, Robert, for coming to Jack Layton's defense.


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posted 01 July 2008 12:23 PM      Profile for Robert MacBain     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You're welcome.

Just because Jack is working overtime to run my wife out of town doesn't mean that he is not a fine Canadian.


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That is quite a good point. Mind you there such a notion as a controlled opposition. I suppose as long as he'd repeal NAFTA asap if he were to get into the PO then alls good.

Now, are not these sorts conferences and the general agenda of a NAU a threat to Canadian sovereinty?

[ 01 July 2008: Message edited by: FlungPup ]


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Happy Canada Day, FlungPup.

You're in a class of your own.


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posted 01 July 2008 03:32 PM      Profile for FlungPup     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Likewise Robert. Happy Canada Day.

Guess that makes me valedictorian!


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I assume the moderators are taking the day off and that's why this idiotic troll hasn't been banned yet.
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Looks like everyone took the day off, Stockholm.

FlungPup's baseless thread is the only one on Canadian Politics since around 8:30 this morning.


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quote:
Originally posted by FlungPup:
I've attempted nothing but to post something that may or may not be a hoax but that might be of interest here.

Sounds like a Warren Kinsella-Derek Raymaker move.


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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
I assume the moderators are taking the day off and that's why this idiotic troll hasn't been banned yet.

Oh relax; what's so bad about spelling "teat" wrong?


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quote:
Originally posted by FlungPup:
Troll? Moi? I said it might be a hoax you inbred moron.

Look it up yourselves. I'm too lazy.


i don't think the problem is the thread title. (bolding mine)


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This is the dumbest thread ever.

And it would be great if everyone who was namecalling in this thread (yes, that includes the obvious "inbred moron" remark, but it also includes the screaming of "troll! troll! troll!") could refrain next time.


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