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donvonbra
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posted 05 June 2005 07:55 AM      Profile for donvonbra     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Findlay to resign over pope joke

DONALD Findlay, one of Scotland’s most flamboyant QCs, has been forced to resign his chairmanship in the Faculty of Advocates after telling a joke about the death of Pope John Paul II.

The advocate, who resigned as vice-chairman of Rangers Football Club six years ago after being filmed singing Orange songs at a social club next to Ibrox, is now facing the prospect of a disciplinary hearing and possibly suspension from the faculty .

News that Findlay, 54, has had to step down from the elected post – one of the most prestigious in the Scottish legal profession – came amid a growing wave of condemnation over his comments, made at a meeting in a Rangers social club in Northern Ireland.

Both Findlay and former Rangers goalkeeper Andy Goram were alleged to have delivered routines that were littered with obscenities and jokes about Catholics. Findlay said to an audience of around 140 people: “It’s very smoky in here tonight – has another f***ing pope died?”

The Sunday Herald understands that Findlay was faced with a unanimous vote of no confidence from the faculty’s board of directors after a meeting of senior advocates in Edinburgh.

One senior legal source said: “Findlay was given a unanimous vote of no confidence during a meeting of the board of the company – its directors.

“He went along to the meeting and he said that an issue had arisen relating to last week and asked if he had the support of his colleagues to carry on as chairman. Not one person voted for him. It was pretty humiliating.”

The source added: “ After all he went through at Rangers, the idea that he blows it all again by doing exactly the same thing is just breathtaking, it really is.”

His position as chairman of Faculty Services Ltd meant he was in charge of the business side of the legal body, a multi-million pound operation. He would also have been responsible for the faculty’s employees, and involved in buying property for the organisation.

Following his resignation from Rangers , Findlay faced an internal disciplinary hearing and was fined £5000 for bringing the Faculty into disrepute.

This time, however, given his past misdemeanour and the fact that First Minister Jack McConnell has launched a personal crusade against sectarianism, the penalties are likely to be higher.

Some legal experts were last night speculating that Findlay could even face suspension . One said: “He could be looking at a period of suspension. This is a time in Scotland when sectarian is a big issue. He knows that and yet gets involved in this kind of thing again.”

Last night, while there was condemnation of his actions, other colleagues described the resignation as a “personal tragedy” for Findlay.

Derek Ogg QC, chairman of the Faculty’s Criminal Bar Association, said: “On a personal and professional level, he is a man I hold in the highest regard. It’s a personal tragedy for him but obviously his position had become untenable.”

Sandra White, the SNP MSP for Glasgow, who last week criticised Findlay over his anti-Catholic joke, said she was “very pleased” that he had resigned.

A spokesman for the anti-sectarian charity Nil by Mouth, said: “This is an example of how Scottish society is no longer prepared to tolerate this type of behaviour.”

Last night, Findlay was unavailable for comment.

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skdadl
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posted 05 June 2005 08:23 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a good thing, a very good sign of social health in Scotland, and that should be obvious even to people around here who dislike the RC hierarchy for other reasons.

What is behind Findlay's joke is the horrific sectarian prejudice of the Orange movement, most obviously divisive in the troubles in Ulster but a factor in sectarian troubles in Scotland and England as well -- not to mention the Canada of only a generation or two ago. Think Ian Paisley. This guy sounds as though he still had some of that in him. The day for that should be over.

A note to donvonbra: you have copied the whole article into your first post above, which is likely a violation of copyright. Since you've got the link there, you should cut your own copy back to a brief quote from the main source.


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James
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posted 05 June 2005 09:04 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The joke itself seems pretty mild; something that, say, Letterman could use without any uproar. After all, it isn't really targeting a pope, but rather the electoral smoke signal routine. Recall the 30 minutes plus as all the world watched that grey smoke and speculated on "is it white or is it black??". I think it there made itself a tradition worthy of some riducule.

However, I suppose given the context that skdadl notes and this guy's history, the reaction is appropriate. (and the joke not so)


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skdadl
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posted 05 June 2005 09:09 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
James, as I read that story, there was not just a single joke -- that would have been an example of an evening's long descent into a kind of sectarian filth that people in Scotland are all too familiar with.

Why do I think so? Look at the vote that took this guy's position away from him. Unanimous. That speaks volumes to me. People over there are sick of this stuff, just sick of it.


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donvonbra
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posted 05 June 2005 10:54 AM      Profile for donvonbra     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
A note to donvonbra: you have copied the whole article into your first post above, which is likely a violation of copyright. Since you've got the link there, you should cut your own copy back to a brief quote from the main source.

Thanks. I'm new around here. I know that some forums allow complete transcription of copyright material but I will follow your advice in the future.


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James
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posted 05 June 2005 11:05 AM      Profile for James        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by donvonbra:

I know that some forums allow complete transcription of copyright material

Rhetorical question here ? Would that include one operated by and for "principled conservatives" who display utter disregard for property rights ?


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donvonbra
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posted 05 June 2005 11:58 AM      Profile for donvonbra     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by James:
Rhetorical question here ? Would that include one operated by and for "principled conservatives" who display utter disregard for property rights ?


What the hell is a principled conservative???

[ 05 June 2005: Message edited by: donvonbra ]


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swallow
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posted 05 June 2005 01:50 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tip to regulars: 99.9% of the Canadian population has never heard of that site. Why keep referring to it? It's just free advertising for a right-wing hate site.

Nice to see that Scots are wiping out the Orange crap at last.


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