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Topic: Finally, a 'good news' Anti-Racism Story (whew)
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KenS
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posted 16 October 2008 04:40 AM
Its a great story, and born out in reality.But I'm driven to rain on the parade. You have to read the entry to understand what "somewhat racist"- but its a damn fitting trm in my books. Very practical. Anyway. I know a lot of Americans and Canadians who are somehwt racist, and heading the wrong way with it. I'm visting one of the many Americnas like that right now.
From: Minasville, NS | Registered: Aug 2001
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Slumberjack
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posted 16 October 2008 02:02 PM
They can use the data from those neighborhood interviews, along with other polling data, to construct a completely new colour coded electoral map, like the one they have here at CNN. On the states indicating "safe McCain" for example, they could substitute the Confederate flag instead of Red, with that being indicitive of the most racist areas. But then what would be a good colour for the least racist areas? Hmmmm.Electoral Map All in all though, things must be seen as very bad indeed around the typical kitchen table for these people to even consider voting for Obama. Catastrophic actually. [ 16 October 2008: Message edited by: Slumberjack ]
From: An Intensive De-Indoctrination, But I'm Fine Now | Registered: Aug 2005
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bigcitygal
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posted 22 October 2008 05:03 AM
Hi Pete. Welcome to babble.
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By discussing the term 'racism' therefore we are all in fact guilty of reproducing the notion and being discriminatory, and therefore counteracting any work that you are carrying out against discrimination.
Really? Seriously, really? Just discussing the TERM racism reproduces it? Well, that's a handy trick. Silly me, I thought it was all those beatings and harassment and murder and denying jobs and denying housing and name-calling and rape which reproduce and reinforce racism. I mean, ARE racism. Gosh I'm so silly sometimes. Talking about the social construction of race (that's race not racism, is a fine and jolly topic that happens here on babble a few times a year. Start a thread on it. Go wild. Racism, my good friend Pete, is not socially constructed. Put down the Foucault (step away from the Foucault  ) and pick up Himani Bannerji or a book called "Racism, Eh? A Critical Interdisciplinary Anthology of Race and Racism in Canada" or "Taking Responsibility, Taking Direction: White Anti-Racism in Canada" by Sheila Wilmot. Foucault is good for a lot of things, but the lived reality of racism ain't one of them.
From: It's difficult to work in a group when you're omnipotent - Q | Registered: Apr 2005
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finp1_06
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posted 22 October 2008 05:15 AM
I must appologise if I have in some way lead you to miss the point. I was refering to the widespread 'racism' found across the globe, not within the 'micro-society' of Canada, and my reference to Foucault was not suggesting that his work spoke of 'racism', rather the way in which he studied the power held by a variety of discourses. I am of course under the assumption that you do not believe in the existance of different 'races' and therefore the understanding that there can be no 'race' secific discrimination (or 'racism'), which is where the term 'racialisation' was braught in as a replacement...you with me so far?? So, the point i was trying to make is,by using the term 'racism' we are implying that there are a variety of different 'races', therefore reinforcing the notion within wider society that there is a 'them or us' situation in which one must dominate (again i refer you to Foucault). This issue is, im sorry to say greater than Canada, and we must not forget that 'racism' was created by the British empire as a justification of the slave trade- making the British Nationals believe that they are superior to other 'races' and it is alright to enslave /indenture them. Pete
From: worcester, UK | Registered: Oct 2008
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bigcitygal
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posted 22 October 2008 05:51 AM
Whoa, Petey, now you're all over the place. quote:
I am of course under the assumption that you do not believe in the existance of different 'races' and therefore the understanding that there can be no 'race' secific discrimination (or 'racism')
No. There is no "therefore" about it. Yes to the first part, before "therefore". After "therefore" you have heretofore lost the point yourself.There absolutely can and is race-based discrimination. If you don't agree on this truth, then there's very little more you and I can talk about. And yet you say this:
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that whilst people do group individuals and cultures into 'Races'and subsequently discriminate against them,
So now I'm confused. Also, more than "people" do this, systems and institutions (like laws for example) back up so-called discrimination with real policies that affect real people's lives, that like, kills them. Check out the laws about First Nations people and get back to me. For example. As for the origins of racism, that's also been discussed, and is more of a history discussion and doesn't belong in the anti-racism forum. IMO. I'm going to be away from a computer for the rest of the day, just so you know why I won't be responding right away. P.S. Catchfire: I've missed you in this forum! Very much! Nice to see you here, always.
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