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ceti
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Radical natives are included on the same list as the Tamil Tigers and Hezbollah in a new counterinsurgency manual being prepared for the Canadian army.

The manual is in the final stages of preparation, but The Globe and Mail has obtained an early version of the document.

The draft outlines tactics, including ambush, deception and killing, which the military could use both at home and abroad against military opponents.


-- CTV News

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posted 31 March 2007 08:05 AM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ceti, this is just fucking great, isn't it?

From the link:

quote:

"The rise of radical Native American organizations, such as the Mohawk Warrior Society, can be viewed as insurgencies with specific and limited aims," the manual states.

"Although they do not seek complete control of the federal government, they do seek particular political concessions in their relationship with national governments and control (either overt or covert) of political affairs at a local/reserve ('First Nation') level, through the threat of, or use of, violence."



Bold added

Well, of all the noive!
Please tell us how the "Canadian government" has maintained its force over the FN peoples for all these years? Fucking fuckwads.


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ceti
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It's as if they have 300 on their reptilian brains.

However, more scary in that signals a clear shift towards counter-intelligence and "Indian fighting" on the part of the government who sees any challenge to their supremacy through the lens of fighting rebels/terrorists. Welcome to the new empire, same as the old empire.

What next, will they fund their own network of informers and death squads? What are they planning?


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ceti: Welcome to the new empire, same as the old empire.

Absolutely. The difference is, the political climate now makes this shit allowable and palatable for the general public.

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I would expect that every reserve or activist first nations organizations have informers implanted. No different from labour unions or other organizations.

What has to be watched for are agent provocateurs. Those individuals who are most radical and calling for violent acts I would suspect of being in the employ of CSIS or the RCMP.

Any time a member of the military engages in plans against it's own citizens is in my mind dangerously close to treason. That is not what the military is for.

For better or worse, we have CSIS, the RCMP and in Ontario and Quebec, the OPP and QPP respectively, on top of municiple and reserve police who are mandated to keep law and order inside the nation.


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Global Research Article

Mostly Water Article

Mohawk Nation News


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(WARNING: Sardonic content)


While I think the Mohawk link is a tad hyperbolic, it did bring to mind a suggestion for our current military comanders.

If it has to deal with a first nations "insurgency", there's no need to come up with a new manual. Just dust off the archives of Lord Strathcona's Horse, and see how the Boer insurgents were brought to heel.

[ 01 April 2007: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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Globe and Mail article
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The G&M article states some uncertainty as to how "new" these provisions are. The Mostly Water coverage seems less confused:

quote:

The manual has been two years in development and is scheduled for release later this year. In it, insurgent wars are characterised by their tendency to be local and often popular movements, rather than the traditional military conflicts between states. This type of irregular warfare has confounded U.S. and NATO forces in Iraq and Afghanistan respectively, where growing insurgencies have taken a bloody toll on local populations as well as Western troops, and signs of success are few and far between.

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The counter-insurgency manual is one part of a significant modernising and restructuring of the Canadian Forces that the DND is billing as an effort to create a more effective force in fighting for Canada's "national interests" in the post-Cold War global order. But the changes are not only doctrinal; the intensity of the combat in Afghanistan is something Canadians haven't seen since at least the 1950s, when Canadian Forces fought in Korea.


It doesn't really matter, in one way, whether or not the determination of some FNs as "terrorists" is new or not, given the likely violent results of this kind of labelling.

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Canadian generals such as Leslie, Chief of Staff Rick Hillier and retired Maj. Gen. Louis MacKenzie have been outspoken critics of the accuracy and utility of the long-fostered national self-image of the Canadian military as a neutral middle-power and "blue-helmeted" peacekeeper.

enemies abroad and at home


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Sorry to double post, but just caught this over at the G&M:

quote:
Native reference will not appear in Canadian terror manual
BILL CURRY

From Saturday's Globe and Mail

OTTAWA — References to radical natives in the Canadian Army's counter-insurgency manual will not appear in the final version of the document, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced.

The use of "radical Native American organizations" as an example of insurgents in a draft version of the manual has outraged native leaders, who viewed the wording as a threat to their political rights to protest.

Assembly of First Nations national Chief Phil Fontaine said yesterday the inclusion of natives in the manual could threaten the ability of Canadian natives to travel internationally.

But in a written statement, Mr. O'Connor explained that the document was simply making reference to past examples of insurgencies and was not meant to suggest that natives in Canada are a potential military target.


They're using the ever popular, the previous government did it, excuse.

Why does the manual refer to "Native Americans" while most people in Canada say, "First Nations"?


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quote:
Why does the manual refer to "Native Americans" while most people in Canada say, "First Nations"?


Im confused, isnt Aboriginal also a common term?


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But in a written statement, Mr. O'Connor explained that the document was simply making reference to past examples of insurgencies and was not meant to suggest that natives in Canada are a potential military target.

Seems pretty straight forward to me. There was in fact an insurgency in the past that involved an element of the Mohawk nation.

Now, was it either sensible or sensitive to use that specific example? Nope.


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quote:
Originally posted by BetterRed:
Im confused, isnt Aboriginal also a common term?

Yes, although it is most often used in connection with Australia. Native Americans (meaning First Nations people in the US) are rarely, to my knowledge, called anything other than Native Americans. All the Canadian First Nation people interviewed for the story above refer to themselves as First Nations.

But naming is a sensitive issue...

I just thought it odd that a Canadian publication would speak of Native Americans -- although there is the historical (and current) political activism of the American Indian Movement. Perhaps they were also trying to reference them.

Perhaps they were trying to please the new government's Security and Prosperity Partnership obsession wherein we are not inhabitants of Canada the US or of Mexico but rather, of North America.

Who knows.


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ceti
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Counterinsurgency operations are always nasty and vicious and involve targeting the population at large. Hence, all counterinsurgency planning has been tightly linked, from the American experiences in the Seminole and Philippine-American wars informing the Nazi battles against partisans, to those same anti-Soviet strategies then reemployed against the Viet Cong in Vietnam, and now the El Salvador tragedy informing US strategy in Iraq.

However, with people like Harper, Mackenzie and Hillier at the helm, Canada is returning to its colonial roots as in "ready, aye, ready" in service of the Anglo-American Empire. In today's world just like before, it means wrapping civilization and democracy around an imperial policy.

At least the reference to First Nations struggles makes the character and inspiration of this new colonial phase abundantly clear.


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In O'Connors statement, he described FN peoples as "natives in Canada" -- isn't that also inappropriate?

In many Canadian government documents, Aboriginal is used to encompass First Nations, Inuit and Metis peoples.


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quote:
Originally posted by siren:
Why does the manual refer to "Native Americans" while most people in Canada say, "First Nations"?

That IS weird. I thought "Native Americans" was more of a USian term.

Of course, that could actually explain a lot.


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No words can describe how sad this makes me. I am ashamed to be living in this country and I hope that through solidarity FN people can become full human beings under this government.


I have said it before and I'll keep saying it - FN people are the invisible people. The ones it is okay to hate, and if this document is not hate, I don't know how better to define it.


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posted 02 April 2007 12:59 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a little extreme based on this description Stargazer. If an identifiable minority can be anticipated to engage in sedition and through their actions require the domestic action of the Armed Forces to enforce Canadian laws, then the forces should be able to plan for it.

Had they, 30 years ago, come up with an anti-FLQ operations plan it wouldn't be anti-French, just anti-FLQ.

Same goes with the plan as the topic of this thread.


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Bullshit. And please do not tell me what is considered extreme.

Fuck, I should have known better than to post in this thread.


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Bullshit why? Should the forces not train for operations they may have to undertake?
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quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
If an identifiable minority can be anticipated to engage in sedition and through their actions require the domestic action of the Armed Forces to enforce Canadian laws, then the forces should be able to plan for it.

An identifiable minority?

I think that's what's often known as "racial profiling" and not generally acceptable in progressive circles. (And by "progressive" I don't mean "Progressive Conservatives".)

[Edited for stupid spelling mistake.]

[ 02 April 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

That IS weird. I thought "Native Americans" was more of a USian term.

Of course, that could actually explain a lot.


Many Canadian Forces manuals are based off other countries experiences and their tactical manuals. The Canadian Forces then are rewritten these foreign manuals to Canadian ideology and standards.

The basis of this Canadian manual could be that of an American army manual hence the difference in terminology.


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EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Of course, if the Harpocons weren't so desperate to model Canadian security on that of the US, then maybe they might get the terminology right!


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Gee just like the good old days only its a different kind of red they are persecuting.

1930's red hunt

Couple this with the Conservatives and Liberals pushing for anti-glorification laws and we all should be worried.

I will reiterate from above. Be very careful in all your groups the RCMP hav e always used agent provacateurs and therefore one should always be cautious of the off the wall radical calling constantly for illegal and violent acts. Let none of us forget burning down barns.


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Given the lack of dates for the creation of this manual could it not be possible that it was started under the previous Liberal government? Some of the articles previous mention the year 2005.

To be honest I have a lot of concerns about this topic, however I am not sure how to communicate the questions that I have to this forum.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

An identifiable minority?

I think that's what's often known as "racial profiling" and not generally acceptable in progressive circles. (And by "progressive" I don't mean "Progressive Conservatives".)

[Edited for stupid spelling mistake.]

[ 02 April 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


There's a difference between saying all natives and an insurregent active native group. Its the same thing as saying white people vs the Militia of Montana.

eta

"Identifiable Minority" was phrased somewhat badly.

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quote:
Originally posted by Webgear:
Given the lack of dates for the creation of this manual could it not be possible that it was started under the previous Liberal government? Some of the articles previous mention the year 2005.

To be honest I have a lot of concerns about this topic, however I am not sure how to communicate the questions that I have to this forum.


This has come up before, under the previous two governments.


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Grizzled Wolf posted:
quote:
Seems pretty straight forward to me. There was in fact an insurgency in the past that involved an element of the Mohawk nation.


I am curious as to what insurgency that you are referring to that involved the Mohawk Nation.


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quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
No words can describe how sad this makes me. I am ashamed to be living in this country and I hope that through solidarity FN people can become full human beings under this government.
Typical. No surprise here. Even during the FN caravan to Ottawa in the 1970s there were FBI and RCMP agents working as infiltrators. We have always been treated as enemies of the occupying force called Canada and always will be. There is no way FN people will ever be full partners in the stewardship of Turtle Island. From the beginning the only options have been assimilation or marginalization.

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quote:
Originally posted by Makwa:
Typical. No surprise here. Even during the FN caravan to Ottawa in the 1970s there were FBI and RCMP agents working as infiltrators. We have always been treated as enemies of the occupying force called Canada and always will be. There is no way FN people will ever be full partners in the stewardship of Turtle Island. From the beginning the only options have been assimilation or marginalization.

All so sad and true. There were ATF agents from the US taped with CSIS agents in Caledonia. The government obviously disrespects FN people. They are still waiting for an official apology for the horror that was residential schools. And to add insult to injury, the Harper government was one of the very few (along with Bush and Howard) to NOT sign the UN Declaration on Indigenous Peoples.

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Our political Conservatives in Ontario are a bunch of racist bastards. They dragged their feet on Ipperwash. It was shameful.
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Fontaine also pointed out that the revelation of Aboriginal groups within the training manual also comes after the federal government said they may aggressively audit and possibly cut off funding provided to First Nations organizations who participate in, or support the National Day of Action on June 29th, which the federal government has said may include illegal blockades and other activities.
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"Taken with the report that we are included in the list of insurgent organisations in the military's manual, raises serious questions about the federal government's respect for freedom of speech and freedom of assembly for First Nations people. It appears that they want to silence us," said Fontaine, in the release.

"The proposed June 29th National Day of Action is intended to bring focus to and generate awareness of the deplorable social - economic status of First Nations peoples in this country." ...


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This isn't exactly new perhaps but it could be a sign of worse things to come, possibly incipient fascism. Harper is as anti-native as they come, as is the US backed oil patch which funds him ("Native Americans"?) and the recommendation by Liberals and Cons alike that the definition of "terrorism" be expanded to what could include *any* act of protest or civi disobeience may not be coincidence.
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All smells a lot like "Cointelpro" revisited for Amerika North, but has the Canadian military itself ever made a mission statement like this before, anyone?
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It isn't a mission statement but yes, they have done it under the previous two governments.
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This counterinsurgency planning for domestic soil seems directed at securing Canada's natural resources against any disruption brought about by land claims disputes. This will be key in the coming decades of intensifying resource conflicts, so I'm sure there is thinking going on on how to prevent any active insurgency from taking root in the bush so to speak.

The flipside is to repress and undermine any movements not popular with the government or the elite power blocks in the country. Thus the criminalization of some struggles that have much popular support.

And there is a distinction between Liberals and Conservatives on this one -- just compare Ipperwash to Caledonia and the attitude taken by the government. I know in the long run, its the same colonial government, but I think you can come to appreciate talking over yelling which is what the difference is.


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quote:
Originally posted by obscurantist:
Fontaine also pointed out that the revelation of Aboriginal groups within the training manual also comes after the federal government said they may aggressively audit and possibly cut off funding provided to First Nations organizations who participate in, or support the National Day of Action on June 29th, which the federal government has said may include illegal blockades and other activities


This is a very pertinent point, as is Fontaine's other comment about silencing FN's.

Moreover, one can already see the fooprints towards the elimination of FN status should the CPC get a majority government.


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One of our fearless leaders was saying from Afghanistan tonight that their tanks need air conditioning. My dad rode all over North Africa, Sicily and Italy in a Sherman tank, and I don't think they had air conditioning. I vaguely remember him saying something about war being hell.

The military guy on the national tonight reminded me of that old Steve Martin movie, The Jerk. There was a scene where people were lining up at Steve Martin's mansion wanting cash handouts and giving him sob stories. One character was a Texas millionaire crying about how he was too embarassed to fly his friends to the Super Bowl in his leer jet with cracked leather seats.


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quote:
Originally posted by EriKtheHalfaRed:
possibly incipient fascism.

It becomes clearer every day, doesn't it. What is not in the news is that there was a high tech, low level surveillance plane flying around and around the reclamation site all week, and a helicopter buzzing certain houses in Tyendinaga.

Media never report that stuff.
Never report the white 'nationalists' parading around either. Tell them about it, face to face, they just look up at the corner of the room, refuse to answer why they do not report those things. WHY DO THEY NOT ??? I just don't get it.

And yet, a 10 year old (native) kid cutting the leaf out of a Canadian flag (cos we're killing the trees) is a terorist on CP wire before you can say spit!!


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Outrageous Saga, but I think our corporate media has become the main institutional arm for fascism in North America now, if we don't start dealing with that reality we've all had it.
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