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Topic: New Counterinsurgency Manual targets "radical natives"
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bigcitygal
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posted 31 March 2007 08:05 AM
ceti, this is just fucking great, isn't it? From the link: quote:
"The rise of radical Native American organizations, such as the Mohawk Warrior Society, can be viewed as insurgencies with specific and limited aims," the manual states."Although they do not seek complete control of the federal government, they do seek particular political concessions in their relationship with national governments and control (either overt or covert) of political affairs at a local/reserve ('First Nation') level, through the threat of, or use of, violence."
Bold addedWell, of all the noive! Please tell us how the "Canadian government" has maintained its force over the FN peoples for all these years? Fucking fuckwads.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 01 April 2007 06:14 AM
I would expect that every reserve or activist first nations organizations have informers implanted. No different from labour unions or other organizations.What has to be watched for are agent provocateurs. Those individuals who are most radical and calling for violent acts I would suspect of being in the employ of CSIS or the RCMP. Any time a member of the military engages in plans against it's own citizens is in my mind dangerously close to treason. That is not what the military is for. For better or worse, we have CSIS, the RCMP and in Ontario and Quebec, the OPP and QPP respectively, on top of municiple and reserve police who are mandated to keep law and order inside the nation.
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 01 April 2007 07:25 AM
(WARNING: Sardonic content) While I think the Mohawk link is a tad hyperbolic, it did bring to mind a suggestion for our current military comanders.
If it has to deal with a first nations "insurgency", there's no need to come up with a new manual. Just dust off the archives of Lord Strathcona's Horse, and see how the Boer insurgents were brought to heel. [ 01 April 2007: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]
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siren
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posted 01 April 2007 06:33 PM
The G&M article states some uncertainty as to how "new" these provisions are. The Mostly Water coverage seems less confused: quote:
The manual has been two years in development and is scheduled for release later this year. In it, insurgent wars are characterised by their tendency to be local and often popular movements, rather than the traditional military conflicts between states. This type of irregular warfare has confounded U.S. and NATO forces in Iraq and Afghanistan respectively, where growing insurgencies have taken a bloody toll on local populations as well as Western troops, and signs of success are few and far between. ..................... The counter-insurgency manual is one part of a significant modernising and restructuring of the Canadian Forces that the DND is billing as an effort to create a more effective force in fighting for Canada's "national interests" in the post-Cold War global order. But the changes are not only doctrinal; the intensity of the combat in Afghanistan is something Canadians haven't seen since at least the 1950s, when Canadian Forces fought in Korea.
It doesn't really matter, in one way, whether or not the determination of some FNs as "terrorists" is new or not, given the likely violent results of this kind of labelling. quote: Canadian generals such as Leslie, Chief of Staff Rick Hillier and retired Maj. Gen. Louis MacKenzie have been outspoken critics of the accuracy and utility of the long-fostered national self-image of the Canadian military as a neutral middle-power and "blue-helmeted" peacekeeper.
enemies abroad and at home
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siren
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posted 01 April 2007 07:33 PM
Sorry to double post, but just caught this over at the G&M: quote: Native reference will not appear in Canadian terror manual BILL CURRY From Saturday's Globe and Mail OTTAWA — References to radical natives in the Canadian Army's counter-insurgency manual will not appear in the final version of the document, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor announced. The use of "radical Native American organizations" as an example of insurgents in a draft version of the manual has outraged native leaders, who viewed the wording as a threat to their political rights to protest. Assembly of First Nations national Chief Phil Fontaine said yesterday the inclusion of natives in the manual could threaten the ability of Canadian natives to travel internationally. But in a written statement, Mr. O'Connor explained that the document was simply making reference to past examples of insurgencies and was not meant to suggest that natives in Canada are a potential military target.
They're using the ever popular, the previous government did it, excuse. Why does the manual refer to "Native Americans" while most people in Canada say, "First Nations"?
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siren
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posted 01 April 2007 09:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by BetterRed: Im confused, isnt Aboriginal also a common term?
Yes, although it is most often used in connection with Australia. Native Americans (meaning First Nations people in the US) are rarely, to my knowledge, called anything other than Native Americans. All the Canadian First Nation people interviewed for the story above refer to themselves as First Nations. But naming is a sensitive issue... I just thought it odd that a Canadian publication would speak of Native Americans -- although there is the historical (and current) political activism of the American Indian Movement. Perhaps they were also trying to reference them. Perhaps they were trying to please the new government's Security and Prosperity Partnership obsession wherein we are not inhabitants of Canada the US or of Mexico but rather, of North America. Who knows.
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ceti
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posted 02 April 2007 05:03 AM
Counterinsurgency operations are always nasty and vicious and involve targeting the population at large. Hence, all counterinsurgency planning has been tightly linked, from the American experiences in the Seminole and Philippine-American wars informing the Nazi battles against partisans, to those same anti-Soviet strategies then reemployed against the Viet Cong in Vietnam, and now the El Salvador tragedy informing US strategy in Iraq.However, with people like Harper, Mackenzie and Hillier at the helm, Canada is returning to its colonial roots as in "ready, aye, ready" in service of the Anglo-American Empire. In today's world just like before, it means wrapping civilization and democracy around an imperial policy. At least the reference to First Nations struggles makes the character and inspiration of this new colonial phase abundantly clear.
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Michelle
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posted 02 April 2007 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd: If an identifiable minority can be anticipated to engage in sedition and through their actions require the domestic action of the Armed Forces to enforce Canadian laws, then the forces should be able to plan for it.
An identifiable minority? I think that's what's often known as "racial profiling" and not generally acceptable in progressive circles. (And by "progressive" I don't mean "Progressive Conservatives".) [Edited for stupid spelling mistake.] [ 02 April 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]
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Webgear
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posted 02 April 2007 01:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle:
That IS weird. I thought "Native Americans" was more of a USian term. Of course, that could actually explain a lot.
Many Canadian Forces manuals are based off other countries experiences and their tactical manuals. The Canadian Forces then are rewritten these foreign manuals to Canadian ideology and standards. The basis of this Canadian manual could be that of an American army manual hence the difference in terminology.
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kropotkin1951
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posted 02 April 2007 01:55 PM
Gee just like the good old days only its a different kind of red they are persecuting.1930's red hunt Couple this with the Conservatives and Liberals pushing for anti-glorification laws and we all should be worried. I will reiterate from above. Be very careful in all your groups the RCMP hav e always used agent provacateurs and therefore one should always be cautious of the off the wall radical calling constantly for illegal and violent acts. Let none of us forget burning down barns.
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HeywoodFloyd
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posted 02 April 2007 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle:
An identifiable minority? I think that's what's often known as "racial profiling" and not generally acceptable in progressive circles. (And by "progressive" I don't mean "Progressive Conservatives".) [Edited for stupid spelling mistake.] [ 02 April 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]
There's a difference between saying all natives and an insurregent active native group. Its the same thing as saying white people vs the Militia of Montana. eta "Identifiable Minority" was phrased somewhat badly. [ 02 April 2007: Message edited by: HeywoodFloyd ]
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saga
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posted 04 April 2007 06:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by EriKtheHalfaRed: possibly incipient fascism.
It becomes clearer every day, doesn't it. What is not in the news is that there was a high tech, low level surveillance plane flying around and around the reclamation site all week, and a helicopter buzzing certain houses in Tyendinaga. Media never report that stuff. Never report the white 'nationalists' parading around either. Tell them about it, face to face, they just look up at the corner of the room, refuse to answer why they do not report those things. WHY DO THEY NOT ??? I just don't get it. And yet, a 10 year old (native) kid cutting the leaf out of a Canadian flag (cos we're killing the trees) is a terorist on CP wire before you can say spit!!
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