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ch11lawyer
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posted 25 May 2008 06:40 PM      Profile for ch11lawyer        Edit/Delete Post
The Muslims and the Christians, and the Muslims and Israelis have been at each other's throats calamitously for many years. Now, the violence, now Muslim on Muslim, is reaching a new crescendo. If anyone wants to know what a "Palestinian state" would look like, read on. One wonders how anyone, in their right mind, could wish for this.

Excerpts of New York Times article below (link to article):

Hezbollah Ignites a Sectarian Fuse in Lebanon
By ROBERT F. WORTH and NADA BAKRI
Published: May 18, 2008

MENIEH, Lebanon — For two and a half days, Hussein al-Haj Obaid lay on the floor of a darkened warehouse in west Beirut, blindfolded and terrified. Militiamen loyal to Hezbollah had kidnapped him at a checkpoint after killing his nephew right in front of him.

Throughout those awful days, as his kidnappers kicked and punched him, applied electrical shocks to his genitals and insulted him with sectarian taunts, he could hear the chatter of gunfire and the crash of rocket-propelled grenades outside, where Hezbollah and its allies were taking control of the capital.

He returned to this northern village only after family members won his release just over a week ago by threatening the kidnappers with retaliation. By that time Mr. Obaid, a Sunni Muslim, had gained a whole new way of seeing his Shiite countrymen and his native land.

“We cannot go back to how we lived with them before,” he said as he sat with relatives and friends at home here. “The blood is boiling here. Every boy here, his blood is boiling. They push us, they push us, they push us.”

Those feelings are being echoed throughout Lebanon. After almost a week of street battles that left scores dead and threatened to push the country into open war, long-simmering Sunni-Shiite tensions here have sharply worsened, in an ominous echo of the civil conflict in Iraq.

Hezbollah’s brief takeover of Beirut led to brutal counterattacks in northern Lebanon, where Sunni Muslims deeply resented the Shiite militant group’s display of power. The violence energized radical Sunni factions, including some affiliated with Al Qaeda, and extremist Sunni Web sites across the Arab world have been buzzing with calls for a jihad to avenge the wounded pride of Lebanese Sunnis.

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A Terrifying Ordeal

Mr. Obaid was one of many Sunni men who drove to Beirut after hearing that Hezbollah was attacking the offices of his political patron, Mr. Hariri. On arriving in the city, he stopped at a checkpoint, where militiamen asked him where he was from.

He barely had time to answer, he said, before the men — who recognized him as a Sunni from his northern accent — opened fire on the car, riddling it with bullets and killing Mr. Obaid’s young nephew, Abdo.

Mr. Obaid got out and tried to run, but the men caught him and took him to a warehouse, where he endured two and a half days of torture. He took off his shirt to show a reporter the fresh scars.

“They gave me a hard, hard time, brother,” said Mr. Obaid, who speaks English with a strong Australian accent, a legacy of 13 years he spent in that country.

“They did not even ask for my ID card, they just hear my voice,” Mr. Obaid said. “They treated us like animals, like animals.”

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[ 25 May 2008: Message edited by: ch11lawyer ]


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Cueball
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posted 25 May 2008 06:41 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yup. Better we kill them, than let them kill each other. After all we are so much more efficient and civilized.
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posted 25 May 2008 06:47 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Whoever this asshole is who opened this thread should be shown the door, and this disgusting thread title should be blotted out.

Maybe we should hire a bouncer here.


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ch11lawyer
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posted 25 May 2008 06:50 PM      Profile for ch11lawyer        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Whoever this asshole is who opened this thread should be shown the door, and this disgusting thread title should be blotted out.

Maybe we should hire a bouncer here.


Why don't you tell me what you disagree with? The news article was from the New York Times, every bit as left as the TO Star.

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posted 25 May 2008 06:51 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by ch11lawyer:
Why don't you tell me what you disagree with?

I disagree with some smug U.S. racist appearing here and spewing venom on Muslims and Palestinians. Take your N.Y. Times and shove it.

Where the hell is the bouncer when s/he is needed?

[edited on Cueball's correct suggestion]

[ 25 May 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]


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posted 25 May 2008 06:52 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, lets start with... what is so interesting about Muslim's killing each other. Christians killing each other is unheard of, I suppose? Does WW2 and WW1 automatically disqualify Christians from having the fundamental right to have "their own state"?
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ch11lawyer
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posted 25 May 2008 06:53 PM      Profile for ch11lawyer        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

I disagree with some U.S. racist thug appearing here and spewing venom on Muslims and Palestinians. Take your N.Y. Times and shove it.

Where the hell is the bouncer when s/he is needed?



Your own comment vis a vis the US sh ows who the true bigot is. It ain't me. Are you going to deny that hte Shi'ites and Sunnis are massacreing each other? What part of that is not true?

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posted 25 May 2008 06:53 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

I disagree with some U.S. racist thug appearing here and spewing venom on Muslims and Palestinians. Take your N.Y. Times and shove it.

Where the hell is the bouncer when s/he is needed?


He doesnt qualify as a thug, please.


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ch11lawyer
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posted 25 May 2008 06:56 PM      Profile for ch11lawyer        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:

He doesnt qualify as a thug, please.


Thanks. I'm here to debate, not hurt people. I'm far left on most other issues.

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posted 25 May 2008 06:56 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:

He doesnt qualify as a thug, please.


Ok, Cueball, I've edited to replace "thug" by "smug".


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posted 25 May 2008 06:56 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by ch11lawyer:

Your own comment vis a vis the US sh ows who the true bigot is. It ain't me. Are you going to deny that hte Shi'ites and Sunnis are massacreing each other? What part of that is not true?

WW2?


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posted 25 May 2008 06:58 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by ch11lawyer:
Thanks. I'm here to debate, not hurt people. I'm far left on most other issues.

Those are tiresome labels. You can believe in universal health care and giving lots of alms to the poor and nationalizing the White House for all I care. Once you post here that Lebanese and Palestinians are inferior beings that can't govern themselves, you forfeit your rights on a progressive board. You're beyond the pale. I'm not trying to hurt you - I'm just here to debate.


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ch11lawyer
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posted 25 May 2008 06:59 PM      Profile for ch11lawyer        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:

WW2?



I wouldn't exactly call Hitler a Christian; I'd call him a pagan. And, by the way, I am quite definitely not a Christian. Unionist assumes that I am. Assume spells ass of u and me.

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posted 25 May 2008 07:01 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by ch11lawyer:

I am quite definitely not a Christian. Unionist assumes that I am.

Interesting brain fart. Actually, I assumed you were a bot, spewing out pre-digested racist condescension against the people of the Middle East. I see I overestimated you. Your software is buggy.


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posted 25 May 2008 07:03 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So what he have here is a bankruptcy lawyer starting morally bankrupt threads.
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Cueball
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posted 25 May 2008 07:03 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Its irrelevant wether or not Hitler was a Christian. Christians killing each other is an age old story. Regardless, all this means is that they are not unlike other human beings who can think of numerous reasons to kill each other, religious or otherwise. The fundamental fact however, is that none of this has anything to do with wether or not Christians have rights.

Christians have the right to have states and govern themselves, even if it is the case that sometimes Christians do things like elect people like Adolph Hitler to high office.


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posted 25 May 2008 07:14 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Cueball:
Christians have the right to have states ...

No they don't. No state has the right to be "Christian" or "Jewish" or "Muslim" or "White" or "Male". A state belongs to all its citizens and freedom of conscience demands that there be no state religion.


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posted 25 May 2008 07:15 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Whoever this asshole is who opened this thread should be shown the door, and this disgusting thread title should be blotted out.

Maybe we should hire a bouncer here.


Bouncer, reporting for duty!


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